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Welcome to the Free Birth Podcast, a supportive space for people who are learning, exploring, and celebrating their autonomous choices in childbirth. Together, we'll unpack truths, share personal stories, and claim our ability to birth freely and intuitively. Here's your host, host, Emilee
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This week, we are joined by Gala from Montreal, Canada. While Gala did have a vaginal breech birth in a hospital with her firstborn, she was left devastated at how she was treated and hit with the realization that she had given up her power and authority in the process. Vowing never again, Gala goes on to have an incredible free birth at home with her second child.
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Oh, I think it was my first pregnancy actually, not before. I got pregnant with, Pat in two thousand twelve. It was kind of a surprise. I was dating, a first boyfriend from Argentina. I was in Montreal. I dated him, like, for two months and got pregnant. And then I was in Brazil. I was supposed to go for a four month trip. And, actually, I realized I was pregnant. I went back to Montreal, like, my comfort zone. He was not with me. I mean, we were dating, and we did for two years. But at that point, I was only with my family and my sister. And that was Pacha, my first pregnancy. That's where my motherhood begins. I could say I was fearless somehow because I didn't have a lot of, questions about how I was gonna give birth, but I felt that I had to go to the doctor anyway. You know, like, the mainstream way of doing it. So I'm I kind of found a doctor. I wanted midwives, but here, it's hard to get, like, the official ones. And I went into the waiting list. Finally, I got, the midwife later on when I was in West Canada doing, like, fruit picking. And I was very happy to have that. I went back to Montreal late, thirty five weeks, kind of. I met the midwife. Felt good. Better than, like, the hospital setting, but still whatever. I mean, I didn't feel never that I needed someone else. I was, well, on my own. Now with my sister, actually, she was like my doula the whole time. I read a book, give, give birth we will give birth with pleasure, And it's a great book. I will love to translate it one day. It gave me a lot of great images of my uterus and how it was so powerful. I will, when it became a little bit, I was gonna give birth at home. That was the plan. And everything looked perfect as it usually does until, like, the last weeks when, pata was breached. And for me, breach, first of all, was like, what's that? Then, oh, okay. It didn't feel like a problem for me, but it was a whole catastrophe for the world. Yeah. So they start they started talking a lot about c sections, and I was very determined on not having one. But I was transferred to the doctors by the midwives, still under under their care somehow, but anyway. And also I got a cholestasis. So it started getting itchy on my body and I studied and it was Okay. Yeah. Exactly. Cholestasis. Mhmm. And yeah. That was it. They wanted to induce me at week thirty eight because they're like, it's dangerous for the baby, blah, blah. But I at the same time, it was a breach. So an induced breach was like, no, we will never do this. I mean, I was like, me neither. Yeah. But kinda I don't know how exactly I went. I only bore on week thirty eight, so it was pretty good timing. At the same time, I worked a lot on that on what we say natural inducing that not like, for my second pregnancy, I didn't do that at all. But this one, I was like dancing, spinning babies, mocks at me Yeah. Sticks, you know, everything they tell you to switch, like, the position of the baby and even did a an external version. So nothing did the job. And I was on the day of my of the birth, I was home. I was playing with, like, the ball, the yoga ball that I usually play with. It was a pink ball. Oh, for those weeks, I did a lot of monitoring at the hospital. I I I cried a lot being monitored. I was threatened a lot by, you know, by the c section. And, and I also had, this particular moment of, when I met this, doctor three days before giving birth for general checkup, but what he did was a membrane swiping. I didn't know. So no concern, nothing. And I actually knew it. I I I learned it was that later that night when I called my midwife and she told me, oh, that's what they did. Well, that I hope they they it will get things going. And I was like, woah. So it it did, but it was so brutal and painful. It was like the first painful moment of my pregnancy. I was bleeding. I was like, what am I bleeding? Like and what then I think about it. I was like, what? Why the heck? I took off my pants. You know? But when they they didn't tell me anything, I was there. I was like, okay. Now you have to do this. It's like, ugh. So so well done for you to get so vulnerable and so
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Right. There's, like, no time to think.
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No. Consent is no. It doesn't work for sure. So not even there. I was not even in labor and it didn't work. Okay. So I get, was on, my place alone. My sister was napping, when when my my pink bow, and there was a candle lit. And I kind of, went on a nap, then I went back dancing a lot, a lot, a lot. And I know that the ball rolled with a tissue on it that I used to, whatever, to sit on it. And it went, like, directly to the candle and a fire go went on. What? And the ball explode. Woah. The pink ball explode. And like maybe two minutes afterwards, I was like pouring water on the fire.
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Oh my god.
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It was symbolic, like, really. Yeah. Right. An image of the pink ball of the whole pregnancy went on fire and I broke broke my waters at that point.
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Of course, you did. Oh my god.
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Oh, so, yeah, I broke waters. I kept on dancing, but I was like, my my my legs felt all crumbling, and I went Wait.
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Until my sis I have clarifying questions. So, okay. So you're at home going into spontaneous labor, but Yeah. You are planning to transfer to the hospital at some point. And have they agreed to let you have a trial of labor with a vaginal breach? Or, like, what's the plan in your mind?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. That that was the plan. Yeah. I actually called the the plan was for me to go to the hospital with a midwife. So I called the midwife after I I I didn't want her neither to know. So, like, two hours later at nine PM to tell her the waters broke, that was the first, like, fear moment. She asked me if they were stained. And, of course, they were a little bit not stained, really. Like, not thick and nothing, but there was because it was breached. So, anyway, totally normal, but, yeah, she I know she brought fear in at that point. And we I went to the to the hospital at midnight, with the father of, Patra and my sister, and she met us there. That's it. They agreed to go on a trial as you say. When I got I maybe I can go on if you want with the story, but, yeah, we went we got to the hospital. I was very much in labor. Like, my my legs were shaking. I was having fun. It was I was feeling very nice, very high. Actually, that's the way I can explain it totally on another world. Felt protected. I went to the hospital and still was able to keep that bubble. Nice. So that was nice. But when I got there, they were like, oh, man. You broke waters, like, six hours ahead. I don't think you're our neighbor because you're laughing and all so calm. You know? And
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You're not allowed to enjoy this.
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Who are you? No. No. You are not allowed at all. And I was like, okay. I think I'm fucking in labor, but whatever. Of course, to to try, they put their hands into me, and it was like a vaginal check, and it was, five centimeters. So they're like, oh, oops. Yeah. Maybe you are in labor, so we will shut up. I was let in kind of a dark room. I could be in all fours, but I was still, like, monitor, hooked, like, to the monitors and with an IV too just in case. Mhmm. Before before that before the trial, what they did say was, like, depending on what's the OBJU, that night, maybe they will force an epidural on you. Because it's a bridge, and we don't want you to do a gen to gen to the general blah blah blah, a general anesthesia. So we might force an epidural on you. I was like, okay. I don't want that. That night, they didn't. So I didn't take an epidural. It was perfect that way. It was maybe four hours. Oh, at a point, a nurse came in. I was in all fours, and she was, you're laughing right now, but in a few moments, you won't be laughing anymore. Good. Yeah. That was a comment I a comment I got. Woah. Ew. Ouch. That's such a, like You're like Reddit channel. Creepy
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okay.
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Also, like, the opt in, I I liked her. I'm happy I got her. And also the one that did my vaginal exam, she was kind of an angel look, girl, and I liked her. So I feel I was blessed that night, by God to send me those people. The Ogden, I did I do remember she came in. She left the lights off and said, who is laboring? Because my sister was also in all fours. That's cute. She just told me I'm not gonna force any big draw on you. You look like you have everything under control. Keep on doing that. Bye. So that was nice. And maybe two hours later, I've it was so fast that I helped me. I mean, they didn't came to they didn't come to see me a lot. You know, it was only two twice or three times. And at a point, they they came oh, no. I wanted to, you know, the Mhmm. The lucky moment when you are like it was transition, but I didn't know that was transition. And and so that they touched me at that point again. And I do remember they were, oh, yeah. It's ten and it's plus two. This was four in the morning. They transferred me to another room even if I was plus two in all fours. Woah. My baby I was like, wow. Can this be, like, even more than this? You know? I I was doing it, but it was, like, oh my god. This is a lot. When is this gonna, stop? I mean, it was gonna stop, like, maybe in a few minutes, but they kind of made me, like, stop the the the flow. We went into another room just in case the operation room, I think, or whatever, a very light full room. Five, six people, including the midwife that was sleeping in a room but came to pick in, of course. And, it was all women, except from the the father. That was nice, but six people one nurse was cheerleader kind of. You know? Like, go, Kel. You got this. Like God. I love your Yeah.
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Just like, girl, I totally know what you mean. And just the the yelling, it's so
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common. You're done. You you were done to do this. You were born to do this. And, oh, she's coming so fast. I'm like, what? Well, and she came down bridge. They were they were amazed. They got, like, maybe the birth of the year because may some of them never saw a bridge, and that hospital, maybe it was the second bridge birth in, like, four years. But my that night, I was very happy and blessed, kind of. I stayed just for a few hours. I really wanted to go home. I'm not the hospital person. I hate I I've already, like, started, like, going off pharmaceuticals and stuff like that before. So I wanted to just get out of there. Yeah. And that was it for Pacha. I was I felt very, like, wow, powerful because I gave birth to a bridge, baby, and I won the war, you know, against, like, a c section or or or that.
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Yeah. That's what I was gonna ask you. So this hospital that you got transferred to
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Mhmm. Were
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how do I say this? Like, were it doesn't sound like they were actively promoting vaginal breech birth. And so how did you avoid a c section, and how did you get a team of doctors to support something that it doesn't seem like that's their thing?
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I really feel that what made a difference and I it was that the midwives were with me. So they felt, even if the the care was transferred, I stayed under the their care, and the postpartum care was under them as well. So I was always their client, kind of. So I feel they needed to to prove kind of, okay. We will accept, but they didn't trust me at all. So what
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I guess what I mean is it's normally an automatic c section.
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Oh, yeah.
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So how were you able like, to do this for
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a refusal? I think that here, at least, if you just say I don't want to, they they would say, okay. You we will try it. But they are not trusting you and they are telling you, but that night, we will put an epidural on you. And that night, I guess that most of the women in my case, that maybe even they try. Because most of the women are very scared. And if they they will only try to to switch the baby's position. But if they don't get to do that, then then themselves usually withdraw. They are like, no. Okay. I'll take the c section. You know? I don't I feel that that fear is that part is very important, and I didn't get into that. I was like, okay. No. I think I'll try it anyway. Okay. Yeah. Maybe c section. I just want I I was very silent. I'm very, like I I wanted to be the fly on the wall so that they didn't see me at the hospital. Just, go as fast as I can kind of to get the baby out. Wow. That that's horrible in a sense.
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I mean, you did what you needed to do. You know? It makes sense to me. So, you have your baby and what happens for you in the year that follows your initiation into motherhood, you have this this, you know, you were able to, still get a vaginal birth kind of in the face of, you know, an unlikely tale, but you were forced, you know, you obviously had these all these things happen to you that didn't feel good. You were forced to birth in the OR, I mean, by around a stranger. So how does that integrate for you, and and what what happens from there?
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From there on the first month, maybe I felt very powerful. As I said, I was breastfeeding, but still physically, I had I was in pain compared to my second birth. I was very in pain. I was, yeah, I was kind of in a depression too, in a postpartum depression. And all of that, I didn't want to acknowledge it until a point, actually, maybe one year after it, I was rewriting my birth story. At the same time, I was meeting a collective of doulas, and I started volunteering as a doula for for mothers here, very vulnerable that they they don't have access to any kind of insurance, immigrants usually. So, I was meet meeting them, and at the same time, I I I started rewriting it. And I kind of listed all of the trauma traumatic things that happened to me. And I was not surprised, but disgusted at all of the things I I could name. You know? Like, started by the membranes, swapping, but whatever else they did, how how I felt, how they touched me, how I I I did all of that to me. It was realizing that at the beginning, my story was they didn't let me do this. They wouldn't let me do that. They wouldn't let me birth at home. They wouldn't let me. And then it was like, well, I didn't let myself do that, and I transferred my authority to someone else. So I did that to myself. And it was hard to realize, but that was what led me to being very, clear about it now and still super, proud and of that moment, of course, and it was a very beautiful moment. Yeah.
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The journey of self responsibility and Yeah. Learning what it looks like to take a hundred percent responsibility, which is often pretty painful after there's been trauma to see where you, where you co created something. Mhmm. But but like you said, I mean, that equals freedom because when we're willing to do that, we can change the pattern. We cannot repeat it again, and that's Totally. Yeah.
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Yeah. That even not a lot of people know about this. I'm very, yeah, whatever. I don't know how to say it, but I I keep to myself a lot in these senses. But, yeah, I I got pregnant again in two thousand seventeen. So my daughter is three years and a half. It's with another man that I'm very in love with that I know for ten years, but he was a good friend of mine. And then we started dating, and I get pregnant. It was not planned again, kind of, but very, desired. And, yeah, I didn't want to get any kind of test, not even like the pregnancy test. This time, I was like, I'm not getting anything. I'm gonna be as, like, off the off grid as, like, as much, you know, nothing. So no pregnancy tests. And I knew I was pregnant. It was so clear. I got, like, the first symptoms. And at a point, I'm bleeding. I'm feeling pain on my lower back. My my boyfriend, he didn't know about it because it was, like, very like, maybe ten days after the first missed period. You know? So it was pretty close to the conception date. Whatever. And I my sister knew because she was like, you're not bringing. Right? You're not bringing. You know? She she I didn't tell her, but she knew. And, yeah. I started bleeding, and I know I'm scaring kind of. I wanted to say I was not. I was like, maybe not. Maybe it's twins. Maybe it's whatever. No. No. At a point, I I went to the pharmacy, and I got a pregnancy test just because I wanted to make sure this was not just a second weird period, but I was actually miss well, having the I don't I hate the word miscarriage. Yeah. Because I carried it very well. Uh-huh. Just, just,
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I like the I like the term pregnancy release.
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Nice. Okay. It was pregnancy release. Yeah. I I I gave birth to something. That's
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for sure.
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Yeah. So I I went for to the pharmacy. I picked the test. I went for a nap because I wanted to have a lot of pee kind of. And then I peed, and at the same time, you know, after a nap, I got a lot of blood came out as well. And this thing, then I put my hand into the toilet, and it was a sack with the little baby. So it was very nice, actually. Like, I love this story. It was hard at the, that moment, but it didn't last for a long time, maybe seven days, ten days of transition. But it it felt like the first, free free birth I had. It was it was awesome. That was two thousand seventeen. I buried, like, one year later too, in my backyard. And then I got pregnant again in two thousand eighteen. Actually, conception was December two thousand seventeen, maybe. Yeah. Two thousand eighteen, I'm pregnant. January of Mika. And then I'm very scared that I might lose it because, since it was my last experience, even if I had a, like, a a first perfect birth, you know, it's always the same. So I know that the first weeks, I was very into myself. I did tell my boyfriend faster because the last time he didn't like that he he didn't know before when it happened, whatever. So this time, I shared with him before, but we we did agree to to keep it to ourselves for three months almost. So it was very nice. I, I I enjoyed my pregnancy. I was having some fears coming in and out from my other experiences, I I think, but I was very I knew it was gonna be a free birth. Maybe during in between the two pregnancies, I met a lot of midwives, doulas, peep people working around this world, and nothing sounded well for me. Like, even, you know, the water birth with the blah blah and the dude. I was like, no. No. No. I just need a dark place to be buried alone, covered. No one's no one's seen me. Yeah. That's what's actually with Mikko. So I didn't get any doctors, any tests. I had a sweet pregnancy. I was working the whole time. I like my job, so I was having fun on that side, enjoying. I'm homeschooling her, so I spend a lot of time with her. And you want me to tell you about the birth? I'm not sure I'm not sure how to continue. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Awesome.
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So you knew it was gonna be a free birth. You had a wild pregnancy. You felt good, and it just it sounds like it was just a no brainer for you. It just seems like it was so kind of obvious, and you just chose to follow it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It never it I I never had the question of should I check myself? Should I get, like, an ultrasound? Or no. No. No. This time was like, I'm just gonna keep out of what made me, made me go through what I went through with my first baby. So I just I was like, I'm pregnant. This is what it is. It's just another function of my body, and it feels good. And I want to be concentrating on that, but I didn't tell anyone neither that I was having a fever. Sure. Or people don't even think about it. So they will never get into that conclusion. So, yeah, with with Miko, that the day I, oh, I I had cholestasis again, whatever it's called. I don't know how to pronounce it properly. Again, so I felt itchy. But this time, I did believe in myself. I I researched, and I didn't I mean, I went, I got a lot of teas, herbs Mhmm. That helped a lot, and that made a huge difference. And I was like, why didn't I do that in the first place? Just because, you know, herbs are bad bad when you're pregnant and whatever. So this time, I did I knew how to take care of that, manage that, so it was good. And then with Mikko, I woke I woke up full of energy on that day. I wasn't retired the days before, but that day, I was very energetic. I have things to do with, Pacha. Actually, Pacha was born on August the twenty sixth, and he was born on August the thirty first. So it's five days of difference. And at her five year old birthday, I was very pregnant, but I was nesting so bad. I cleaned the bathroom. I was like, what? This is so disgusting. I'm gonna give birth soon, and I need to clean until three in the morning. You know? Yeah. And then, yeah, that day we went, to do some stuff with Pat, visit some people. I visit a mother that I doula for, kind of. I didn't want to her birth, but I was her her doula at a point. And I saw her baby, seven months, and it felt so good to be with the baby. I mean, just to feel that this was gonna be my my, reality in in some moments. I didn't know, but it was gonna be very, very soon, like, in six hours after that. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was like, Gala, did you know that thing that you I'm I'm not sure. So I was having a good moment with that baby, and then, I went, we went for a book. We we had some eggs at at home. We we took a nap. Oh, she gave me a a huge box full of clothes that's so, so heavy. That was, like, my last effort. You know, like, getting it back home with the car and my girl. And when I got home, we we we took a nap. Afterwards, I was already having contractions, but I was having contractions the days before. In and out, my uterus was, like, tightening up, more and more for a longer time. I love it. I love that feeling. So I was kind of dancing and moving my my hips hips to that. And once again, I was dancing when I break waters this time. That day, well, my sweetheart came back. We ate dinner. I told him, look. This is a contraction. It's the first time I I did this with him. I was like, look. Touch my belly. And then I was dancing after dinner, and then I break water. With now was dancing with me, so that's the nice the the this the second part of my story. So with the baby, a grown five year old baby dancing with me, I break waters. I tell her, look, Pacha. This is the waters. Baby's gonna be here soon, probably. We put her to a movie, and the movie time was the time it took me to give birth.
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That's amazing.
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So that was I I I pretended I was a water girl. I love water, but for birth, I'm such a, like, grounds person, I think. Because I went to the to my bath, and I was feeling the water. I put myself in all fours in the bath. I was like, no. No. No. I can't do this here. I felt cold, and I don't know. I didn't like it. So all alone, I went back to my room, and then I didn't get out of my room afterwards. I at a point, I texted my sister after I broke waters, and I was like, baby's coming soon. And she was like, how soon? Like but then but then she flew. Then she flew. Then she was like, okay. Soon. So she was home, like, maybe twenty minutes later or thirty. I spent I wanted to be so dark, so maybe I only had, like, the salt lamp. No. Not even two candles, like tea light, whatever. I felt very cold that night. So I was, like, the midwife kind of saying people, please can you put the heat up? And I think that when I started doing that, I was feeling transition already, because, I felt the, like, the need to be to for the place to be hotter. You know? So it was the first time of the year that we put the heat on. It it smelled bad, like, you know, all the dust accumulated there, it was not a good idea. And then I thought maybe I I should have, like, you know, electrical radiator anyway, next time. But, yeah, I was covered in a lot of, how do you say, of things, and I was very cold. I didn't want people to be around or whatever. I was on my own. I was in all fours in my room. At a point, my boyfriend was there. I told him, are you nervous? Because I don't I don't want you to be here if you're nervous. I was like, no. Not at all. You look so so beautiful. It looks like you're having an orgasm, actually. I was like, okay. I think you're okay. You can be here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fine. Awesome. And then I forgot about it, about him, kind of. I know my sister also was in and out. It felt very, like, woah. This is going so this is hard. Not hard, but intense. Intense. That was my word. Like, wow. This is is so intense. I was surprised it was so intense because this time, I didn't want to force anything. Mhmm. I was like, okay. I wish the pregnancy is gonna last, like, forty four weeks kind of because the the other time I felt they pushed the date of birth. So this time, I didn't wanna push anything, not even push, you know, the baby out. So I was like, oh, I think this is going too fast. Yeah. I thought it was gonna take, like, maybe four hours. I don't know why I had so many assumptions. Last the first time, from the water breaking until the born was, like, eight hours. This time, so I was like, maybe it's four hours. Actually, it was, like, two or one in the past. Wow. That is fast. It was faster than I what I thought. And that's why when I was hitting the transition, I didn't wanna assume I was going through it. I was like, no. This cannot be so intense if I'm not in transition and I don't wanna be in transition. But then I was like, okay. I I put my hands inside me. I didn't plan to do that, but, it felt like I wanted to do that. And it felt so hard and so nice to feel my baby's head. I was so ready to feel whatever part of his body. Yeah. Right? But it was the I I I mean, it was very hard. I was like, oh my god. He's right there. It's right there. And that felt good. Also, at a point, I told my sister, oh, I feel like I wanna, you know, like, poo again, but I knew it was transition at that point. And she's like, do whatever. Poo, pee. Do whatever you want. Like, so at that point, I know I I did push a little bit or felt like let my body do other be more active because I was letting go a lot. And then probably it felt like, I wanna do something in this ride. Maybe okay. I know I laughed at the last at the point when I was crowning. I was like, boom. And then the head came out, and it felt so nice. I people, like, it was only my sister and my boyfriend, but they didn't see anything. I was covered on blankets. I I felt the head and the two ears, you know, in between my legs. I was like, oh, it's really human, or it feels like a human. And then the body came out maybe right away afterwards. He will he cried also right away, so that felt very nice and reassuring. No nothing. It was all Yeah. It was awesome. And that was it, but it was a long ride to the placenta too for me this time. The other time was horrible. I got the pitocin shot. They didn't tell me that also. I learned maybe four months afterwards when I was reading so much about, like, oxytocin and how was was the peak of love between a new newborn and a mother and how they anyway, I got the pit shot, and I didn't know. And it was horrible. This time, I didn't want to do anything again for the placenta to come out. I was too I think I was too inactive in a sense because I didn't even pee, and I think that the bladder was blocking it somehow. So maybe it was three hours. It felt good. I was just so tired, and I think it could have come out before if I just Yeah. Stood up. You know? Mhmm. So at a point, I peed kind of on myself. I just put put a towel on my vagina. I peed. I was like, ah, it feels so, it feels so good. And then the placenta came out. And that was it. Contractions, like, the after contractions were also harder than what I remember or thought. And I was so happy because there oh, Patia came in right when he came out. And I thought she heard, but, no, she didn't hear anything. She was like, the moon the movie is over.
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That's so funny.
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Yeah. Oh,
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wow. What a great story.
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Thank you. Yeah. It's a nice story.
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How do you feel like it has changed you?
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The free birth, you mean, particularly? Yeah.
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Just the whole the whole evolution, really.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. I think that the free birth just confirmed what what I was already feeling with my first baby. Even if it was a hospital birth, I felt I was I I had kind of a free birthday because I didn't trust anyone there, and I did really feel my body the whole time. And, and I was able to to do it myself at that point, but it was so hard, especially on society because I want to to give that power to women and tell them, don't go into the hospital. Even if I did, don't go into the hospital. You can do it yourself. That's the best thing to do. Like, we don't need anyone, and we are being, traumatized, and we are being stolen for from such a beautiful moment or a beautiful transition, and it could be such a learning moment in your life. And it's not being we are not seeing that. What I was seeing in all the births in the hospital was trauma and rape. So but when I got my free birth, I think that I don't speak a lot about it, actually. It's it's so I think it's only one one year ago, so maybe it'll take more time, because I only wait for people to ask about it, and people usually don't. I was talking much more about the other birth, actually. With Pacha, I felt like I escaped war. I need to tell you about it. And this time it's like, well, war, you choose to live that war. It's we are all choosing it. Like, a big majority is choosing that war, and it's horrible how we are hurting ourselves. And so that's yeah. I felt I feel like I spoke so much more, about that traumatic birth experience. But I do feel so powerful and clear and just confirming what's nature and how it's done, how it's, it it has been, created to be done. Mhmm. And I'm so in love with also all of the free bird stories. I'm so happy I found your community. For sure, that was very late for me. So I may it was it would have been nice to meet, that even that idea, that notion when I was pregnant, of. But, anyway, I, I I I am so happy to hear that we are being more and more, and and this is maybe we are gonna change a lot of things, sooner or later.
Speaker 2
Yeah. And it's happening, and that's what you know, but you're such
Speaker 1
a good
Speaker 2
example of somebody who didn't need to have found the podcast or join the membership or see it on, you know, Facebook of someone else doing it, but it lives within us, you know, and
Speaker 1
this for
Speaker 2
us to have normal mother centered, family centered home birth where we are undisrupted and loved and seen and witnessed and respected and unmanaged, like, that is within us. We we own that right to do so, and it's I love when I hear women's stories that it just occurred to them, and then they did it. Like, it really is that simple. It's so cool.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 2
thank you so much.
Speaker 1
Thank you, Emily. I'm so happy. Thanks.
Speaker 3
That's it for today, everyone. Join us next week for another episode of the Free Birth podcast. Thanks for joining us, and remember, your body, your choice. Lots of love.
