Speaker 0
Into the wild, I'm going into the wild, I am. It's been a wild freedom child since I left my roots back home. Into the wild, I'm good. Into the wild, I'm here. It's been a while, freedom child, since I left my roots back home.
Speaker 1
Welcome to the Free Birth Society podcast. This is a radical space for women who are ready to celebrate their autonomous choices in birth, motherhood, and beyond. Together, we'll learn about wild birth through personal narrative, we'll explore the politics of birth, and we'll analyze everything that relates to our lives as women from a feminist perspective. Here's your host, Emilee Saldaya.
Speaker 0
It's been a wild freedom change. Since I left my rules back home.
Speaker 2
Nabila admits that she began her mothering journey truly terrified of giving birth, assuming that she would just go in for the epidural straight away. But after her hospital birth, she she wanted more, and so she stayed home to have a pain free home birth with a midwife. Nabila tells the charming story of her journey to free birth with her third child after finding herself in a foreign country during a pandemic, and she tells us of how she created the opportunity for everything to go just right. Alright. Welcome, welcome. I'm so happy to have you here.
Speaker 3
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. This is amazing.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. And you were just saying before we were recording that you listened to the podcast in your pregnancy. So how fun to have you here now to to tell your tale.
Speaker 3
I feel like they saved me through my pregnancy. Everyone looked at me so alien when I told them I wanted a free birth. They thought I was crazy. So listening to your podcast just really helped me feel so happy with my decision and and made me feel so right. Mhmm. It's like my little escapism. Wow.
Speaker 2
So you just rebirthed your third baby a couple months ago. So tell us about kind of what kicks all of this off. You know, what were your first two births like? And bring us into where you go rogue and make this Yeah. Crazy decision.
Speaker 3
Okay. So for me, it starts, where before I even had children, I always knew that I wanted to be a mother. And I was really interested in labor, but I was so petrified of giving birth. And I used to watch a lot of birthing shows, which, I don't think were very positive that even though the outcome was always amazing, the actual stories were just terrifying and I was so scared and I used to ask everybody who was pregnant or had a baby like about their birth stories or their birth plans and there was never anything positive that came from it. So like I said I always knew I wanted to be a mum but I was always scared of how I would bring my child into life. So when I found out I was pregnant for my first child, I was I was quite a different person back then. It was only five years ago, but I have changed a lot since then. And as soon as I found out I was pregnant, the first thing that came to my mind, which is absolutely awful, was, oh my god. I got I've gotta get this baby out, and I wanted an epidural. That was the plan from as soon as I knew I was pregnant. And I think that's quite a shame because I felt like it overtook my enjoyment of being pregnant and I didn't get to enjoy those feel. So, so yeah. And as my belly grew bigger, it was more of a scare because I knew I had to get this baby out. And all I was all I felt I look back now and I feel like I was just manifesting the worst labor. And and that's kind of what it it was a traumatic experience that, which I didn't overly notice at the time because that was all I knew. But I look back and, it is actually it's actually quite sad. I feel like it was quite a, yeah, not very nice experience, especially when I compare them to my other two labors. So I had a thirty six hour labor from the first contraction, and I had the epidural and four steps and stitches. And there was eleven people in the room when she actually came out, and I was actually being sick when she came out. Yeah. And I and I had this video on I had this labor on video, and my face, I just look like I'm so high off whatever they gave me. They were jabbing me after to get a placenta out and to stop me from being sick, and I didn't really know what was going on. I was kind of just letting them do whatever to me. I felt a little bit abused actually when I looked back. Mhmm. So, yeah, the second time around, I was nervous for the labor because I knew what I'd already experienced. I always liked the idea of a home birth even before I have my first child, but I never thought I'd be able to do it. I never thought I'd be strong enough, but I thought it was amazing that people who do have home births, and it always appealed to me. So the second time around, I started looking into home births mainly because I knew that there was a possibility I'd have to stay in hospital overnight if I had a hospital birth. And I didn't really want that for my two year old daughter. I didn't really feel like she could come into hospital and see me and this new baby, and then have to go away and we'd have to stay there and she might feel like this new baby stole her mummy and she wouldn't understand at two years old. So I kind of felt like just going with my feels. I thought we should all be together as a family. She should be able to be there, if she wanted to be there, if it was the right time. And, yeah, I just I I thought I would try and look into it and see if I could steer towards the home birth. I went on a few home birthing classes, and I listened to hypnobirthing podcasts. And I I really just, got mentally prepared, and I felt so ready to have the baby at home and with my family. But also there was still that slight bit of, I was quite anxious because as much as I knew, I really wanted that. It was I still thought back about my first labor, and it it did worry me. I I felt like, what if I can't cope and I feel like I need the epidural again? Mhmm. But anyway, I went with it and it was the best labor ever. It was such an amazing experience. My daughter was in bed at the time. It was early hours of the morning. But he my second, baby, Zion, he was three hours from the first contraction, so it was a totally different experience. And just being at home, it was just amazing. I recommend a home birth to anyone.
Speaker 2
Did you have a midwife? What was the setup?
Speaker 3
Yes. So I plan to have a midwife, but when we phoned to tell tell them we were I was in labor, they said there was no midwives around and no one could get to us anytime soon. Woah. Yeah. Okay. Even though I didn't know this at the time because my partner didn't wanna scare me. So he was like, yeah, there's a midwife coming. It's fine. You're doing well. Oh my god. Yeah. And I think I can't remember the time because when you're in labor, you know, you kind of lose track and ten minutes could be an hour. But I it was probably about half an hour. I was I knew I was already pushing as the midwife came. And she didn't really do much while she was there. I didn't I didn't feel like I needed her. I could have done it without her. So third time around, that made me feel really confident in having a free birth because I felt like I already done it by myself. Mhmm. So before I even got pregnant, a few the third time, a few of my friends were having babies, they started telling me about their experiences going to the midwife appointments, and it brought memories back. And I just felt like, oh, so much effort. They would always come back feeling really, negative about the whole situation, and the midwife has told them this. And now they're worried because of this and that, and and it only seemed really negative. And I just and it kind of brought back memories for myself. I always got told that my babies were too small even though they were both seven pounds. And on my first, I know I had to go for a few growth scans. And and I knew they were I knew they were fine both times around. And and luckily, I'm not really someone to stress about anything. If I knew they they were fine, I I went with my feels. But also on the first pregnancy, because I hadn't been through it before, I felt I really trusted in medical attention. So, so yeah.
Speaker 2
So when you do get pregnant with your third, do you have a wild pregnancy? Like, what is the or do you have the midwives? What is what is your pregnancy look like with this third baby?
Speaker 3
Well, before I got pregnant again, I was looking in something. I can't remember how it got to me, but something came up about, ultrasound and scans. And I started looking into those, and I felt so silly and naive that I'd never really thought about this before. But I was thinking about all the radiation, and and I I thought I'd never even thought this deep into it. I've just been told that that's what you have to do when you're pregnant. And I've just gone with it. There's been no other thought outside of it. So I started looking into it and I thought the next time around, as long as I feel like everything's okay, I'm gonna I'm not gonna have any scams. And then obviously with the midwife situation and with my friends being pregnant and telling me stories, I felt like I I didn't wanna go down that route either. And also I feel like as soon as you tell them one thing, they know you're pregnant and then they're on your case. There's always appointments and they're always trying to see you and trying to find out just unnecessary things. So I just felt like I was just gonna go with it myself for as long as I could. And like I said, as long as I felt like there was nothing wrong, then I would just do it myself. Also before I found out I was pregnant, my partner and I had made some plans to go to Jamaica. We wanted to spend some time with family and just take, say, six months or so out of life and just reevaluate life and just have some family time. And then obviously, I found out I was pregnant, and then it was kind of like, well, what do we do now? But I had a little think about it, and I just thought, let's just go. Let's just continue with our plans. There's always gonna be something stopping us if we don't go because I'm pregnant.
Speaker 0
Mhmm.
Speaker 3
So we decided to go to Jamaica. We decided to have the baby there.
Speaker 1
Oh. Which
Speaker 3
is so exciting. It was really exciting.
Speaker 2
I thought I thought your birth video looked more tropical than whales.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Well, we actually didn't have her in in Jamaica in the end. Where'd you have her? She was born in Australia.
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. That makes sense.
Speaker 3
Yeah. But it was so it was very random. But yeah. So we have these Jamaica plans. I was so excited. All of our family decided to book and come along and to see the baby a month after she was due. And it was just, like, gonna be this perfect holiday and set in, and I was just so excited. I didn't overly plan my labor because you kind of can't, so you have to just go with it. But the one thing I did decide was that wherever I am, whether I was at a beach or at home, wherever I am, as long as I'm comfortable, and if I go into labor, I will just have it there wherever I'm comfortable. So I didn't expect to be in Australia at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2
That happened. There was
Speaker 3
nothing in my plans. Wow. COVID nineteen happened.
Speaker 2
Oh, that whole thing.
Speaker 3
So yes. So the night before our morning flight to Jamaica, we were told that Jamaica wasn't letting anybody in and we couldn't get there. Oh, no. Rid of our home. Yeah. We got rid of our home, most of our belongings, and we were we were at a friend's Airbnb for the week before we went, and this was our last night there. And we were kinda like, well, what do we do now? We were just doing the last two. And I really didn't wanna stay in the UK because I knew that we would just fall back into old patterns and my partner would be called to work. And I just really wanted to get away and have that family time. So we kind of randomly chose Australia. My partner has an uncle there, but apart from that, there's no other ties. We just I've never been and, it seemed it seemed quite easy on restrictions at the time. So we decided to just go to Australia. So How funny.
Speaker 2
So what part of Australia did you go to?
Speaker 3
We flew to Melbourne, but we drove up the coast too and drove near Brisbane and stayed there for a while because the as we got there, the they were just going into their winter. So we drove up the coast to try and taste the sunshine. Yeah. But baby was born in Melbourne. So, yeah, we stayed in Australia. We had about two weeks of the holiday, then we decided to rent out a, more of a family home where where she would be born, and we stayed there for a month. And, yeah, that's where that's where it happened.
Speaker 2
Alright. Tell us the story.
Speaker 3
Okay. So I have my babies there too. So there's just my partner and my older daughter, Amor, and my son, Zion. Amor, five at the time, and Zion was two. So I kind of pre Amor knew because Amor was there for Zion's labor. She came in just as I pushed him out. So she kind of seen it all before, and she has an amazing memory. She remembers this so well. So I wasn't worried about her, but I was a little bit worried about how Zion would act to it. But also I've noticed that he likes to just follow his sister's league. So I think he was just happy going with her. So I was having contractions throughout the day. My actually, the one evening, I felt like the baby was coming. There was no real signs or real contractions, but I had a lower pressure in my back, and I felt like it might have been the start of it. But this was around nine o'clock in the evening, And I went to bed that evening, woke up the next day, and didn't really have anything. There was a few contractions in the night, but nothing consistent or I'd I'd still it could have been Braxton Hicks. It could have been anything. Then when I woke up the next morning, I still had a lot of pressure, and I knew that it was gonna be the day that I gave birth, but there was still no real contractions. Then around eleven o'clock in the afternoon in the morning, I breastfed. So I was still breastfeeding my two year old son, and I sat down and he wanted to have a nap. And I was breastfeeding him, and as soon as I started breastfeeding, I started having contractions, which I thought was crazy. I could feel the pressure all morning, but there was nothing consistent. And I thought, I wonder if my body must be thinking that I'm breastfeeding, the babies should be here and kind of, yeah, brought it on. So that was amazing. So he went down for a nap, and I was just kind of riding up the contractions. They didn't really start to get too intense until probably around four o'clock in the afternoon. And but before then, I think I felt like I'd done quite well with the contractions. I was going about my day. I was enjoying time with the children, and it was a sunny day. So we were in the garden just relaxing. And then probably about four four PM, I decided to get into the bath because I felt like I needed some, release and some sort of, I remember my other labors getting into the bath and just feeling like the pressure would just come off and it was really relaxing. So, yeah, I got into the bath and enjoyed some bath time, the kids running in and out and just being a bit crazy, but it was it was nice. They kept me entertained. They kind of took my mind off it and made me feel like I had to be even more brave. Then my partner decided there was the place that we were staying, I I don't know why this happened, but there was one room full of mattresses. So he decided to get a mattress. Yeah. Really random. He decided to get a mattress and put it on the floor in the bathroom, and he came and joined me. So that was nice. And then I spoke I have my mom on FaceTime. She was supposed to be there with us in Jamaica for the labor. Oh. So I think she was, yeah, I think she was a bit upset that she wasn't there. But I had her on FaceTime, so that was nice. And she stayed stayed for the whole time. Aw. Yeah. And then I just remember feeling, I remember feeling so connected with my body even throughout my pregnancy. It was really strange because lots of people used to say to me, like, what you haven't had any scans. What if there's something wrong? And I never wanted to say it out loud, but deep down, I just knew there was nothing wrong. It was like as if I I just knew. I just had this connection, and but I was a biscuit to say it out loud. I didn't say it to anybody. But inside, I just I knew that everything was gonna be fine, and I felt the same with my labor. And I think my partner, he was so brushed off his feet throughout my pregnancy, just building, building his business ready for us to go away to Jamaica, but he didn't really overly get to enjoy this pregnancy with me and we didn't really plan a free birth together. This was just kind of my decision and he he pressed in me. He was happy to just go along with it. But I think just before it happened, he kind of realized that we were actually doing this. And I think he had a bit of a few panic panicky moments, and he's kind of like, is there anything that I don't know that I need to know? And I think I feel like you need to talk to me. I feel like you need to tell me what's going on. What what are you thinking? What's the plan? And I was kind of like, well, there's no plan. We just have to go with it. I trust in my body, and I believe that my body will do what it needs to do, and he was I I didn't think that was enough confirmation for him. So I was quite worried about him throughout my labor. Because when things start again a bit more intense, I felt like he might have been panicking, but he was trying not to show it. He didn't wanna put it on me. But he was amazing. He was really good. He kinda just kept the children occupied, and I was just kind of in my own, little relaxation bubble. It was six hours in total. Okay. I I was worried. What as soon as my mom FaceTimed, this was probably about five o'clock. My water's hand broke by then, and she she was kinda like, you need to be prepared that this this might still be a long time even though I had a quick birth on my second child, and I think I was expecting another quick birth because of that. She's like, you know, your waters haven't broke yet, so just try and stay relaxed. Don't get to that panic mode where you can't come back. Just know that this still might be going on for a long time. And and when she said that, I kind of thought I I kind of felt a bit, a bit deflated because I I wanted it to be almost over by now or or moreover. And I knew things were getting more intense, and I was thinking, am I gonna be able to get to the end? And then kind of just as I was having these feels, I was having urges to push down, and she was also worried about that. I was never worried about the urges because I'm happy to just let my body do what it needs to do. But I know that on her experiences with childbirth, she felt urges to push really early, and she done damage because she wasn't actually ready to push. So I knew that she was worried that I was pushing and, she didn't want me to be pushing too early, but I knew it was the right time that that my body told me it was right. And then just as I was having these urges, my waters broke in the bath. So that was so that was such a nice feeling. The relief of just the waters breaking was just amazing. And also I knew that it's fine. Everything's going to plan, and we're almost there. And literally after my waters broke, it was like intense pushing. She was ready to come. So and and I don't feel like I was pushing for that long. She was born at six thirty, and I think my waters must have broke around five, maybe even five thirty. And, yeah, I kinda just won with my body. I, kept pushing what I needed to push. I got out of the tub then because I felt like I needed more space. I felt a bit enclosed. I kind of needed to get in the right position, the squatting position, and felt like I really needed to work her out. Whereas on my second labor, it was so easy. He cut he literally just came out so easily. Whereas, Irie, which is my third baby, I felt like she didn't make it too easy for me when I was pushing. But I still just I I was still really listening to what my body was telling me to do. I want, I want to just try to push when I was supposed to. I was I was really in tune. And even though it wasn't as easy as the second time, I still felt like I was in control. And, yeah, she, she came out really easily. I had no problems after. I had no tearing. And it was such an an amazing experience. The children were there. They were so happy as well. I looked back at the video and see their little faces, and and it it was just the the best feeling ever, just all being there together. And I was I was kind of so glad that it happened the way it did because if we were in Jamaica, we would have had so many people around us.
Speaker 2
Us. True.
Speaker 3
And it and and then we would have had so many visitors after. Mhmm. So it was actually so nice that we were just all there together. Just the four of us. Well, the five now. Yeah. And it was perfect. She hardly cried when she came out. She was just so calm and and content. It was just so lovely.
Speaker 2
I'm wondering if you could speak a little bit more to having two young children there because it's such a common, question that I get of, you know, women having their second or third and and just kind of feeling worried about that or feeling like, oh, is it gonna be too distracting, or are the kids gonna be upset by mommy making big noises? Yeah, I wonder if you could just speak to that a little.
Speaker 3
Okay. So when I have my second child, I pre warned my old child that I might have to I might be making these noises and it might be, it might be hard for mommy to push the baby out. So these noises, it doesn't mean that I'm in pain. I'm just using all my energy to try and push the baby out, and she kind of understood. She was really good with it. But because I I didn't make hardly any noises of having my second child, it was so easy. On my third, I was making quite loud noises, you know, those those pushing urgent noises. And it's funny because at one stage, she came in and she's like, mommy, you told me you weren't gonna be making any noises. You told me you were gonna be calm. So yeah. But she they weren't scared at all. They didn't seem worried about me. But in between every contraction, when I wasn't in pain, I was just really normal with them. And Mhmm. I was explaining, like, we can have our baby soon, and and I was showing them that it's still me. And then when I was having a contraction, most of the time they won there. They just kind of kept running in and out. So they I don't feel like they feared anything, and they knew the process. I pre warned them of and I showed them. There's quite a few pages that I follow on Instagram, who show really natural births, and they, they show a few little video clips. And and I I've showed them and and I said, this is how you bring a baby into the world. So felt like they really knew what to expect, and and they they never looked at it scary in any sort of way. They they didn't have a reason. I I don't think to Yeah. To feel like it was scary.
Speaker 2
That's what I find too. I mean, the I've actually never heard of a story where the children didn't do great, but it's still usually a concern for moms until they go through it like you have. So I'm sure that'll be nice to hear for for the women wondering about that. And then I'm I'm also
Speaker 3
absolutely love her that and I feel like they bonded just like I did because they were there with me. Whereas if I just had her and then they just came along, I think it'd be harder for them to feel like, well, wait, who's this baby and where did she just come from? Totally. They've seen it all happen, and they they just love her.
Speaker 2
Well, it's like what you said about your second baby, you know, with with your older one when she was only two, being like, I can't just go to the hospital and, like, separate our family because that's Yeah. Weird. It's weird Yeah. To kind of kick one of the family members out and then come home with another baby. I mean, I know it's more complicated than that. And, you know, I'm not trying to judge anyone who makes that decision, but I really get that. I couldn't I couldn't imagine not having a family. Yeah.
Speaker 3
I feel like I kind of experienced that because my mom had my brother when I was eleven years old, and I remember it happening quite clearly. And she had him in hospital, and we went in to see her. And then we had to leave her, and we had to go. And I hated it. I hated sleep in the night without my mom at home and knowing everything had gone on. And I was eleven. So for a two year old baby to have to leave her home, I feel like it'd be so much harder for them.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So I was also wondering if you could speak to just how you navigated any fears, you know, being and it sounds like you have a really strong relationship with yourself and, a supportive partner. So that's amazing that you have two really big kind of pieces to the recipe here. Right? Yes.
Speaker 4
And then that
Speaker 2
you have this beautiful, you know, pain free birth at your back with Zion, and it sounds like you just have really created, the quote that I heard in my head when you were talking about your third was, that you really had created, like, over years, had created an opportunity for everything to go perfect, you know, for everything to go right. And I just wanted to kind of, yeah, like mention that because it's not random. You know, like, you took an enormous amount of responsibility to do your work and choose yourself and choose your own, instincts and your own intuition and what felt right to you, and even choosing a partner who obviously is supportive and willing to to, even in his discomfort, still willing to show up for you, which is so beautiful. And I would like to see more of that in the world. But I just wonder, yeah, kind of what else you have to say about the work of wild pregnancy and sitting in the mystery of that and stepping into that in responsibility, and how that, how that creates the opportunity to manifest the birth of your dreams, really.
Speaker 3
Yeah. It it was definitely a journey. Like I said, when I have my first child, I was so scared, and I could never imagine me having a home birth. So yeah, it did come over time and I I feel like it was a journey, of life and not just birthing experiences. Totally. So I look at life a lot different now to how I did then. I try and stay as natural as possible and as in line with nature as I can, because I feel like that always works and it's just the easiest way. So to have the hospital birth with all the drugs, and it just didn't make sense to me. And then it's like the wherever they jabbing you after and whatever they wanna jab the baby with, and it's the pressures too. I feel like they don't really give you choices. That's one thing I I look back and feel like I never had my hospital birth with choices. They never said, would you like me to induce, would you like me to, assess you, see how far dilated you are? They make it feel like you have to do that. And I remember being so uncomfortable with it. And and and that's a lot to do with the whole experience, which is how I felt. It felt so it didn't feel right
Speaker 4
Mhmm.
Speaker 3
The first time. The second time felt better. The first time the third time was just amazing. But I I felt like I had to go through that journey to have my free birth, unfortunately. But, I'm so glad I got to experience it the way I did.
Speaker 2
Well, and your story is so beautiful because this is the kind of unraveling into your divinity, really. Yeah. I mean, you're you're born, and by you, I mean, you know, all or most women, we're all born into a society that is, pretty deeply anti woman, anti birth, you know, anti mother baby. And, you know, whatever you picked up along the way from your own family and from culture, you know, you walk with like most or all women walk with, such a deep fear around birth and your own, you know, body. And and so, of course, right, you do the thing that's laid out for you. And and just your story is so beautiful because how you had that experience, because that really was what was expected of you in terms of, like, society. Right? It's what's expected of all of us. It's like ninety nine percent of women birth in institutions. Right? It's it's crazy.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 2
And anyway, and just this beautiful evolution of doing the work and reassessing and critiquing and and listening to yourself and centering yourself and choosing yourself. And what's so beautiful is that when a mother chooses herself, she chooses her whole family. She she creates a better environment for her entire family, so then arguably the whole world. Right? All by you really sitting with what wasn't okay and what you wanted to create and then having the courage to follow through with that. You have actually literally changed a multigenerational narrative of being broken and having to have, you know, like a dude deliver your baby and abuse you and, you know, all of this weird stuff that we're walking around with, and you have completely changed that narrative in one one lifetime so that your daughters and your son know a different story. It's just so beautiful.
Speaker 3
Yeah. And I feel like a lot of other people around me have been really inspired, by my story too, which is just so lovely. I've had so much positive feedback from it now, and it's funny because you go from everyone worrying about you and making you feel like you're doing the wrong thing to everyone being totally inspired by you and and maybe even take some tips from you. But I was even in the supermarket two days ago, and I I bumped into, someone I kind of know. And she was just like the first thing she said to me, she didn't even say hello. She was like, your birth was amazing. I watched your video, and I can't believe that you are amazing. You're such a strong woman. And I I could've I could've cried. And even the the the all the, messages and comments we had after I posted my labor, everyone was just so kind. And and I I just really didn't expect that. I kind of just posted it for my family who wanted to be there and didn't get to see it. But, yes, it's like it appealed to so many other people, and everybody have just been so nice. I haven't had one negative comment after posting the video.
Speaker 2
That is unique and awesome. Yeah. I'm glad for you. That's what that's what it should be. And and, you know, this is a part of leadership. This is a part of kind of, you know, like pioneering this this movement or or being the revolution because, of course, everyone when they see you've done it and it's this beautiful story, they're like, oh, it could be like that. Right? So even just you doing it and having the willingness to share it, that is leading, you know, that is leading your living your truth and leading and showing other women what's possible. And it's what we have to do, you know, I keep I keep saying the last couple days, my tagline right now is we are the revolution. There's nothing that we have to do other than live our truth and live in integrity because when women do that, it's contagious. And it's contagious in the best possible way. Right?
Speaker 3
Mhmm. And then I felt like now is a good time with, this whole COVID thing going on. I know a few people online who are pregnant and they were worried because they wanted a hospital birth, but they couldn't have a partner. They'd have to do it themselves.
Speaker 2
Oh my god.
Speaker 3
And I just couldn't imagine anything worse right now, especially if it was your first baby and you had warned your partner that you'd warned them whether it was your fifth baby. But, yeah, I just felt like I'd I hope that I'd help people, to maybe consider having at least the home birth with the midwife than to feel like they need to go into hospital. And to also I hope that I help people to know that they have choices, and you can make these decisions. You don't it's it's your baby and it's your body, and you just need to go with whatever feels right for you.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3
You're welcome. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2
Yeah. I really appreciate it. I'm really happy for you and your family and and the world.
Speaker 3
Yeah. And I feel like also if you're pregnant and you're here and you're listening to these podcasts, they are just amazing. They they got they helped me feel so comfortable with my decision, and especially because there isn't much positive energy out there. This is just it was just such a nice place for me to just come whether I was on a long journey or just having a bit of me time in the bath. I would always have the podcasts on, and I would just come away from it feeling like, yay. I would I would be even more excited for my labor. And when I say that to people that I'm excited to give birth, they thought I was crazy. They're like, how can you be excited? Yeah.
Speaker 2
It's the new paradigm. Well, of course, it's hard to be excited when you're, like, heading into a hospital where there's strangers and, you know, all this bullshit that goes on, but
Speaker 3
I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 2
I love it.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Alright.
Speaker 2
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Thank you.
Speaker 2
And that's it for today, my sisters. Check out everything we do, including one on one and group coaching. Learn about our private membership, in person retreats, and more on free birth society dot com. Our online courses are on free birth society courses dot com, including our flagship course, the complete guide to free birth. Don't miss the radical birth keeper school if you're ready to become the authentic midwife that women are searching for. Together we rise, and the revolution starts inside each of us. Our opening song is by Shyla Rae. And now, I'll leave you with our Freebird Society theme song, Wild Woman by Aruba Red.
Speaker 4
I honor you for the wisdom you held, the ancient traditions of plant medicine and womb magic. Magic. I feel the spirit of the ancestors as I place my hands upon my belly. This sacred portal will be honored. Eons upon light beams of survival, withstanding the eradication of our power by design. I will not allow the separation of our young to be forced upon me. My sisters will no longer birth in captivity. The picket line we define from burning our wild women to paralyzing us and drugging out babes. Strapped down in a clinical white bed, drying up the milk from our breasts, keep your needles. My family will never again be doomed to chase those dragons all your poison. We reject your fear. We choose love. Everything with intention. Death, ascension. I will fly and bring her back from the star.
