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Unknown
After I had my first, I was like, I'm absolutely doing a free birth forever after this with my next baby. It was so intentional with everything. I started trusting the revelations that would come to me. I don't need to have an ultrasound. I don't need to have a Doppler. I don't need to hear his heartbeat to know he's okay when I can actually just connect with him.
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Unknown
I started recognizing the United States country is a business and how the birth certificate really is the contract with the business. I just kept connecting with my baby. I was like, guide me to what you need. What kept coming through really clearly as I connect was I need to be born free. Kept taking that. And I got to do on that for a little while.
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Unknown
On what does it mean to be free? It started to become clear that he was like, I need to be born without a birth certificate by women. Before we dive in today, I need to name something important. This episode, along with all episodes that you will hear until our winter break in mid-December, was recorded before my birth prior to mid-August.
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Since then, our family has walked through the unimaginable. Our son was stillborn and we are in deep morning as the shows air, you'll hear and see me pregnant, which now feels incredibly painful and weird. Given that you are holding the sacred knowledge of what came after. So please forgive the dissonance. These stories still deserve to be shared and heard.
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We welcome your prayers, your loving thoughts, and your support as we navigate this spiral of such deep grief. I hope you find resonance and nourishment in this conversation today. Thank you. Welcome to Free Birth Society. I'm Emilee Saldaya, and this is where we break the spell of medicalized birth. Remember what's been forgotten and rise together into our birthright to live, birth and mother as sovereign women.
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Unknown
All right. Welcome, beta. Hey, it's good to be here. Yeah, I'm excited to dive into this. I was just telling you before we were recording that. Oh, my gosh. I mean, this podcast is now in its ninth season. I have literally never addressed the birth certificate conversation. The only person I know before you who is very knowledgeable is a man, and my husband's the only man I have led on this podcast, so I haven't brought him on.
00;02;31;25 - 00;02;53;21
Unknown
So I was really pumped to see you on Alex podcast. And then you're also going to be bringing your wisdom and information to The Lighthouse later this year, you know, workshop there, which I know they're really excited about because obviously women who are into free birthing many, not all, but many are, you know, it's kind of like a domino effect.
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Unknown
It's like, okay, so I did this. How else can I, let's say, be sovereign buzzword, right? Yeah. And so that's a pretty supreme. This is a pretty supreme, you know, topic for this community. So thanks for being here. Yes I'm so happy to. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah. So you've been on quite the journey. So just start start with who you are with your first birth.
00;03;16;14 - 00;03;35;28
Unknown
Because obviously you have this massive transformation from 1 to 2. Yeah. So with my first birth, I didn't know anything about it. Actually. Didn't even think I could get pregnant. I had a whole it's a health story that I won't go into today, but I was told I couldn't have babies. So when I did get pregnant, it was this big surprise and I.
00;03;36;00 - 00;03;56;25
Unknown
I didn't know anything about pregnancy. I had one friend and she wasn't even like a close friend, but she she had a midwife in a hospital and that was like, whoa. Like hippie. Like in my world. Like where I was at the time. Totally. That's how they pitch it. So she was like, you got to watch the business of being born.
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Unknown
So I remember watching that and thinking like, okay, cool. So the moment I got pregnant, I reached out to her and she was like, hey, there's these midwives in the hospital, go check them out. So I went to two appointments and it was like a group of seven midwives or something. And they were like, it's kind of a roulette.
00;04;13;21 - 00;04;30;08
Unknown
You know, whoever's on call when you come to have your baby, that's who it's going to be. And the first two times I left with my husband, I was like, if those two are the women that I end up having my baby with, I'm going to be really disappointed. So I remember just sitting at lunch with him and just like digesting all of this where I was like, you know what?
00;04;30;08 - 00;04;51;14
Unknown
I've disappointed myself in a lot of ways in my life. And now that I have this baby, I, I don't I don't have room in my life to disappoint myself or someone else depending on me. So we have to look at something else. And it was just so clear going that path, not just the people. It was like we were cash pay too, so insurance wasn't what we were doing.
00;04;51;14 - 00;05;05;12
Unknown
And so every time I would try and pay or whatever, they couldn't like it was a glitch and they were like, well, this is what insurance covers. So this is what we do. And I was like, well, I'm not, you know, anyway, it was just it was so out of alignment. So that's when I started creating this ritual.
00;05;05;12 - 00;05;25;18
Unknown
I want to say where every day in the shower I would just connect with my baby and I would ask him. I was like, I don't know, I don't know anything about birth. I don't know what I want. All my friends that had hospital births and just guide the way. So I feel like that's when all like when I would put that down in the morning and just put it out there and just know it was coming, things would come.
00;05;25;18 - 00;05;46;15
Unknown
So I ended up meeting this amazing midwife and it was awesome. And just throughout the journey with this midwife start, things started revealing, right? The ultrasounds, the Doppler, all these different things. So I was pretty like no glucose. So like I did all know things. And the midwife you hired was a home birth midwife. She, she was a home birth midwife.
00;05;46;15 - 00;06;07;27
Unknown
She had a birth center. And so, so anyway, we had planned to do it in this birth center and it was like five minutes from my house. And it kind of worked out because we were in the middle of moving in my house, just like, wasn't, wasn't it? So we ended up doing it in her birth center. But it was like as I went, like I said, these things were being revealed and I was really like, I don't want anything, I don't want anything.
00;06;07;27 - 00;06;26;24
Unknown
And it was like at 36 weeks pregnant that I it was revealed to me that there are different types of midwives and free birth, like kind of came onto the radar and I was like, oh my gosh, how do you hear about free birth? I think I started seeing your podcast and started as I started listening to Just Different.
00;06;26;24 - 00;06;43;27
Unknown
I actually don't even know how it popped up. I don't know how a lot of these things kind of came into my radar. It just started. Yeah. So anyway, there you go. I think I started listening to some of your podcasts and I was like, oh my gosh. So there are different types of midwives. I'm with a licensed midwife.
00;06;43;27 - 00;07;00;28
Unknown
And so I had a meeting with her and I'm, I'm really grateful for her because she really sat down with me and she was like, she knew how intentional I was about my birth and the vision I had. And she was like, you know what? If that's what you really want, I'm happy to be in the hallway, if that's what you want.
00;07;01;01 - 00;07;20;25
Unknown
So I was like, okay, that was kind of my compromise at the time because like I said, I hadn't even been around birth or knew anything around birth. But she really was great with honoring that. When you say that, she said, if that's what you want. What was that I wanted? Like, no one's touching my baby. No one's around my baby.
00;07;20;25 - 00;07;39;08
Unknown
Like, I want to do this with us, but I also. Yeah. Looking back, I wish I just did it with me and my husband, but for some reason it felt good to have her there at the time. So she was there in the hallway. Gotcha. So the setup was a one user facilities. I like you in the hallway, but otherwise leave us alone.
00;07;39;09 - 00;07;57;18
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If there's any reason we feel like we need you. Thanks for being available. But I really want to do this. And there's a certain imprint I want to put on my baby and all this, you know, all those different things. So no one else touches, no one else. Whatever. So the birth was beautiful. It was amazing.
00;07;57;21 - 00;08;19;04
Unknown
Other than the fact that, you know, leaving my home, that was the one thing I wouldn't didn't want to do again. But it was it was great. And then coming home, you know, three hours after having the baby, so great and wonderful. But when it came to the birth certificate, I had spent my entire pregnancy like learning, learning about birth and learning the truth about birth.
00;08;19;04 - 00;08;47;18
Unknown
And there is so much to unpack, especially when you don't know anything to oh my God, you know, you know, it's you know, it is a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. And so and on top of it, you know, there was this like ancestral part that my, my first baby had guided me to on like, you know, if I'm, if I have all this emotional trauma and I have this, like, lineage of trauma, if I don't clear this up, I'm going to pass that on to my baby.
00;08;47;18 - 00;09;05;06
Unknown
So that was another like big, huge thing. I was kind of unpacking throughout his birth to that kind of took all of my capacity because I actually when I got pregnant, I didn't know. I didn't even know my own birth story, which I thought was kind of crazy. When you start thinking about these things, I'm like, I didn't even know how I was brought into this world.
00;09;05;06 - 00;09;25;16
Unknown
So it just shows you how lost we are that it's not even a normal part of your childhood to be told your story. It's really startling. It really is. And it startled me, honestly, when I was like, I don't even know how I was brought to the world. It shows, just like you said, how insignificant that time is to some women.
00;09;25;17 - 00;09;47;02
Unknown
You know what I mean? So I had like through that journey, I started doing some of my ends, like ancestral learning about my birth story, my my grandma, my great grandma I had I discovered that my great great grandmother had a stillborn two stillborn. My great grandma had a stillborn. My grandma had a stillborn. My mom didn't have a stillborn, but she suffered postpartum depression.
00;09;47;04 - 00;10;08;15
Unknown
Like almost as if she did. And this was this revealing to me of like, oh my gosh, this is my job to kind of bring this to consciousness or, you know, I don't know what's what's in my lineage. So that was really big for me, bringing bringing a lot of these things to consciousness really, so I could release it and not not be passing things on to my baby or whatever.
00;10;08;15 - 00;10;27;26
Unknown
So I'm really grateful. That was one of the many things he revealed to me, like I said. So after I have him, the birth certificate comes up. You know, my midwife is like, hey, so within ten days we need to submit this registration. And I had heard a few things about the birth certificate, but I didn't know enough at all because like I said, I've spent my whole time learning about birth.
00;10;27;26 - 00;10;46;02
Unknown
This after part was like, yeah, why would you? But oh shoot. So again, I feel like my job as a mom was to raise him in a way that I felt like I didn't want to inhibit him in any way. So with like, knots in my stomach, I filled out the registration. I never signed it because I felt like that.
00;10;46;03 - 00;11;07;01
Unknown
Like, just made me feel better for whatever reason. But we're a certificate was created. You don't. Anyway. Acquiescence is consent when you start learning the whole contract stuff. Anyway, so he got a birth certificate. Anyway, I get pregnant with my next baby and with my next baby. It was very so intentional with everything. Like a very conscious conception.
00;11;07;01 - 00;11;30;24
Unknown
I didn't take a pregnancy test because I was like, I'm trusting my body. I'm like going all in. So what's the time gap between first kid and second kid? A year after I a year later I got pregnant. So pretty quick. Yeah, it was quick. Yes, yes. And what would you say about your just like your consciousness track in that year?
00;11;30;24 - 00;11;51;09
Unknown
Because it sounds like you made a big jump. Oh yeah. Like after I had my first it was a no brainer. I was like, I'm absolutely doing a free birth forever after this. There's no I feel like I kind of first of all, I said I left my house. And that felt to me like the first intervention. Even looking back, even though we were moving, I would have just stayed home, just stayed home and just done the thing.
00;11;51;09 - 00;12;18;26
Unknown
So that was like a no brainer to me. Like my all my future pregnancies in birth are going to be free birth. I just need someone for no reason why? Why free birth and not with a midwife? That's a great question. I feel like in my life I've gone so far away outsourcing my authority in every aspect of my life that I feel like that was part of my journey to learn how to come home, to start trusting myself.
00;12;18;28 - 00;12;39;23
Unknown
So that to me, was this like ultimate learning to trust myself was in my first pregnancy as I started just trusting the revelations that would come to me, trusting my connection with my baby and knowing I don't need to have an ultrasound or I don't need to have a Doppler. I don't need to hear his heartbeat to know he's okay when I can actually just connect with him.
00;12;39;24 - 00;13;02;00
Unknown
Like it just really was this, like, fascinating revelation to me on how much we put and how much I had in my whole life and asking someone else, is everything okay? Instead of asking myself or my baby? So to me, that was like, okay, my first pregnancy and my baby, like totally set me up to this coming home to just trusting myself.
00;13;02;02 - 00;13;27;24
Unknown
I also find I don't know if you'll relate to this, but I also find that by not outsourcing, there's this other thing that happens where if I check in. Is everything okay? I have no clue. And that's also okay. And can I, can I sit in not knowing? I have no idea. Like I feel I'm pregnant right now.
00;13;27;26 - 00;14;04;09
Unknown
Like I feel that my baby moves, but beyond, like my baby is alive. Yeah, period. Beyond that, I don't personally, and I haven't with all three of them, feel any like overwhelming assurance that anything is okay. Yeah. And so that's an interesting track as well of can I just sit in the mystery of not knowing? Can I not have some deep intuitive knowing and also be fine, which is a pretty big stretch.
00;14;04;11 - 00;14;25;21
Unknown
And I just I wanted to name that because I think a lot of women will psych themselves out because they'll hear women like us talk about how self-assured we are and how confident we are. And what about also when we're not right? Yeah, because that is also all the time. Yeah. You know, in the things that we cannot know, like, I don't know if my baby will survive birth.
00;14;25;24 - 00;14;52;23
Unknown
Yeah. I don't, I don't know I don't know if they have all their limbs or anything. I don't know anything because I'm choosing to sit with that. So I just think it's an interesting other component to the willingness and courage and interest it takes, and almost like wildness that it takes to tune in instead of out, also comes with like, this vast abyss of mystery.
00;14;52;25 - 00;15;13;05
Unknown
Yes, yes, I love that you bring that up so much because I feel like, yes, just as women talk, the ones that, you know, we're, I guess, felt so intuitive that they knew we just we don't really talk about the in-between until that was revealed. Right. You know what I mean? Because there is a long space of time between then, which I feel like is definitely me.
00;15;13;07 - 00;15;34;20
Unknown
I have no clue. Yeah. And this knowing too of like, I don't know. And I'm going to put that down and know that if I'm supposed to or when I'm supposed to, it will be. And like letting that be and that is all everything about. I would say like a wild pregnancy and free birth are part of the initiations of learning to trust yourself too.
00;15;34;20 - 00;16;01;11
Unknown
Because in that time frame, was there ever like a deep intuitive, like something's wrong, right? No. So trust that too, you know, and I loved that mystery that gets complicated or not complicated. But that's also important to say because plenty of women, plenty of intuitive, you know, sovereign minded women will lose their babies. Yeah. And that doesn't mean that they missed that something was wrong.
00;16;01;14 - 00;16;32;06
Unknown
You know, I just also want to say that because I feel protected of of. Yes. Like, of course there's these epic stories of women intuiting something is wrong. We have a lot of them, a lot of them. In The Complete Guide to Free Birth, like just wild dreams and like prophecy, you know, of of them knowing. And also, I mean, some of the most shamanic, spiritual, epic, legendary, intuitive women I've ever met in my life have walked with loss, you know?
00;16;32;07 - 00;16;57;03
Unknown
And so we are not implying in this conversation at all that you will always, if you're so intuitive, you get to know all this stuff. You know what I mean? Yes. And I really, really, really love that you brought that up to I. And I hope the point that I'm trying to get across to, though, is that you're, you're you're in sourcing it instead of expecting someone else to tell you, you know, it's a big deal.
00;16;57;04 - 00;17;31;16
Unknown
Everything about our culture raises us to outsource and to fracture from our instinct and our wild nature. And your choice to orient yourself even in your first birth. I mean, you did it a lot. You know, you left the midwifery practice at the hospital. You found a woman who was a yes to your ask, which is huge. You know, I mean, you you did a lot of change pushing the needle in your first even even with him being born in the system and blah, blah, blah.
00;17;31;19 - 00;17;52;10
Unknown
Yeah. So yeah, let's get back to that big evolution. So from baby born to next pregnancy, you're now like it's free birth. What else is going on for you? Yeah. Yeah. Really. To me it felt like I would say his birth was like, not my first baby's birth was like 95% everything. That was great. It was like leaving my house, having a midwife.
00;17;52;15 - 00;18;14;21
Unknown
We did a lotus birth with my first one, to which was another thing that I feel like was absolutely transformative. I was like, I will do that forever. But yeah, as this evolution went. I just kept connecting with my baby. I was like, guide me, guide me to what you need. And so to me, what kept coming through really clearly just as I connect was I need to be born free.
00;18;14;26 - 00;18;44;05
Unknown
So I kept taking that, and I got to kind of stew on that for a little while. On what does it mean to be free? And to me it was obvious. Like free birth. Yes. Obviously to me, the imprints, you know, the emotional passing down is someone free if there being passed down emotional stuff or are they free if they're really started opening my mind to like what system, the system that we actually live in and are we really free, you know, are we free if we're paying 30% of our taxes just to stay out of jail?
00;18;44;06 - 00;19;03;05
Unknown
Are we free? If I'm working 9 to 5 and I for two weeks of vacation, like all these different things, I guess just started coming to me on what does what does freedom really even mean? And as I continue down this path, it started to become clear that he was like, I need to be born without a birth certificate.
00;19;03;07 - 00;19;28;18
Unknown
I didn't know anything about that other than like the little things. Like I said, that I kind of were in my field, but I had not, like gone down the rabbit hole. And so when that was kind of the what was coming up. I was like, okay, now I get to spend this pregnancy fulfilling that for him. And I do want to now that I mentioned that, I'm saying he I did not know it was a he.
00;19;28;21 - 00;19;45;22
Unknown
Every time I connected with him to I kept asking what what gender he was and he wouldn't tell me. It was like, you're not supposed to know. You're not supposed to know was clearly to, which kept humbling me as well. I very, very much became clear to me that if I was supposed to know, he would let me know.
00;19;45;22 - 00;20;03;03
Unknown
And he didn't, which I loved because allowed me to go into the whole mystery of maybe it is twins, maybe it's two boys, maybe it's a boy or girl. You know everything. And I'm someone that really loves to know things. So I loved that part of learning to love, not knowing, but even okay, I just have to say like, yes.
00;20;03;03 - 00;20;28;25
Unknown
And even if we think we know we have a 5050 chance. So it's like we never really know. And as a, as a, you know, birth worker of 20 plus years, I've seen lots of women know and then be wrong. Yes. Oh, totally, totally. You know, and so I think yeah, there's this stretch beyond the like, oh, I just intuitively know it's like, okay, well I said that with my first two I was right.
00;20;28;25 - 00;20;49;06
Unknown
But like I have a 5050 chance of being right. That's pretty great. Oh well I found it so and I totally agree with you because there was this girl energy. I was connected with this whole pregnancy. But every time I would specifically ask, it was, you're not supposed to know. Yeah. So I was like, okay, find that interesting.
00;20;49;09 - 00;21;11;25
Unknown
But it was clear. But how we shape it. Like, if if a girl had come out, you probably would have been like, I knew it had been a girl, you know what I mean? I probably I'm going to say I know there is a girl I don't know when. Of course I don't know when, but she's she's been an energy guiding, I feel like throughout time.
00;21;11;25 - 00;21;45;15
Unknown
So but it is true when but to not know is actually the most amazing thing. Because it really does put you in this space of how beautiful the the unlimited possibilities are. Because no matter what, it's going to stretch and grow you and facing our control, yes, are facing our control issues. Because what is knowing even mean? I mean, I hear women all the time pregnant be like, my baby will be born on the first on the full moon of the solstice.
00;21;45;15 - 00;22;09;01
Unknown
I just know it. And I'm like, there's no way that's, you know, he's like, no, it's not you. Because I think we often confuse and I am not exempt. We often confuse are really, really sneaky agendas to control. And our egos desire, you know, to predict and to know and to control with intuition also. Anyway, so I feel you.
00;22;09;02 - 00;22;35;16
Unknown
Yeah. We don't know. And there's. Yeah. And there's a million things I feel like that I went through that humbled me too with that. Like just like you said, you think you know and then you're, you're you're quickly like, I actually don't know. And that's really beautiful. So many of you have asked me over the years about the choice to not register your baby after birth, no birth certificate, no social security number, and how to still get a passport.
00;22;35;17 - 00;22;59;26
Unknown
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00;22;59;28 - 00;23;21;21
Unknown
With this? You're clear that you don't want to do a birth certificate, so. And you don't know anything about it. So what does that journey look like? Great question. So I again, every time I was like, okay, show me what that means. And so random things would slowly kind of trickle through like through Instagram or random whatever, like little things that I would just trust that the right information would come to me.
00;23;21;22 - 00;23;41;23
Unknown
And so I started really learning and embodying the truth about the birth certificate and even what that means, and the whole legal side of things, the whole. So, okay, we have business as a birth. But then I started recognizing the United States country is a business and how that operates as a business, and how the birth certificate really is this.
00;23;41;24 - 00;24;07;15
Unknown
It's a contract with the business, and they're creating a business in our name. And how they use that to essentially we are human collateral backing the national debt. So I started learning these different things. And when I started learning it, I just felt like in good conscience, I couldn't I just I couldn't. So I was like, okay, if this is the way you need to be raised, how can I raise you in a way that doesn't inhibit you?
00;24;07;15 - 00;24;44;18
Unknown
Because from what I knew, you needed a birth certificate to get a passport, to get a job, to get insurance, to get to get it. Yeah. To basically exist. Yes. So that's as far as I knew. So when it was like, okay, how can I raise you without being that, you know, it kind of goes into a different mind track because even when I like started learning about free birth, if you would have asked me ten years ago what free birth meant, I would have thought that meant that someone was trying to, I don't know, they were a druggie trying to keep their baby out of this, you know, some weird like mindset.
00;24;44;18 - 00;24;59;29
Unknown
And then when you start really going the path, you're like, that is not even, you know. So I started realizing that about the birth certificate as well. And people are thinking like, you're trying to hide your baby from the government, but really what you're trying to do is prevent them from owing a debt or being the collateral to the national debt.
00;24;59;29 - 00;25;26;02
Unknown
And everything really is about jurisdiction is what I started learning. Like the reason certain three letter agencies can come take your baby is because it's jurisdiction. If they technically own that baby, because what birth certificate is the title we're handing over? So. And I don't want to say anything to like, scare people too, because you have to also know that you're not the birth certificate when you can kind of start realizing who you are and who you're not.
00;25;26;02 - 00;25;51;18
Unknown
That's a whole it's a whole thing in itself. We get tricked into believing where something we're not. We're living beings that can't be owned. Okay, but the birth certificate is a business, and we are. We're thinking we're the business. So I'll just say that. But yeah, as I started learning this, I was like, okay, so without a business in the United States, birth certificate, how can I raise him?
00;25;51;18 - 00;26;23;25
Unknown
So it started coming clear to me, really clear that when you there's a way that our ancestors have operated throughout time and it's been passed down, but it's been lost for good reason. And what happened is this system that our ancestors did by creating our private records and things like that, was replaced by the birth certificate. So when I started learning that you can actually go back to what's held true through generations and generations, that it actually holds more weight than a birth certificate does, only it doesn't contract you with the United States corporation.
00;26;23;28 - 00;26;47;16
Unknown
And you can still prove like I started learning about the difference between citizenship and nationality, which they don't teach us that in school. Again, for good reason, because they want us to claim citizenship and they want us to be on their ship. When you start realizing jurisdiction and you know there are three different types of law, and the law of the water is essentially how the business is running.
00;26;47;16 - 00;27;10;16
Unknown
So you essentially can attach yourself to citizenship through the corporation or to the land, in soil, through your nationality. So really realizing that getting a passport is one of the easiest things to prove your nationality. And you can basically do anything you want. Once you have a passport that was like the golden ticket. So I was like, okay, great.
00;27;10;16 - 00;27;28;29
Unknown
So how do you get a passport without the birth certificate? And that was a whole other thing that started being revealed because we had a trip planned. We we are like world travelers. That was that's just always been really important to us. So we had a trip, planned to go to Mexico before my baby was born when he was three months old.
00;27;28;29 - 00;27;48;03
Unknown
So basically I was like, hey, I've got I've got some time to I've got to get on this quick to get him a passport if we're going on this trip. So really throughout that journey, it was lots of tears and a lot of people telling me, hey, you can't do that. And me just I feel like again, I feel like free birth in so many different ways.
00;27;48;04 - 00;28;10;24
Unknown
Wild, wild pregnancies, they really are the initiations inside of you to start advocating for yourself and knowing who you are. And I felt like that really allowed me to stand in these uncomfortable conversations. Sometimes when people are saying, no, you can't to persevere, I guess. But there were plenty of times to where I was like, okay, just get the damn birth certificate.
00;28;10;25 - 00;28;37;12
Unknown
Like, this is getting too hard. But then I keep coming back knowing in my bones, this is this is his. This is what he wanted. So I'm going to listen. So then I'm assuming you also didn't get the social. No. Yeah. Okay. So how do you get the passport. Great question. So really what I started realizing is there is like there's two mirror.
00;28;37;13 - 00;29;00;11
Unknown
There's there's a system right that we're living in, we're living in. You have to get a birth certificate. You have to get a social. You have to, you know, get a passport with citizenship, all these different things. But realizing that we can do all of these things privately but mirrors it and still gain all the benefits. So what I found is creating your own private records and doing these private things.
00;29;00;11 - 00;29;26;13
Unknown
We can still get the passport without the birth certificate. So as I was discovering this, what I created as a whole, I have an offering that has all the templates, all the different things that you hold as your private records, and basically not just for the passport, because it goes beyond the passport, because a birth certificate does a few things too, like if you ever had ended up in some sort of like controversy, you ended up in court for whatever reason.
00;29;26;13 - 00;29;47;05
Unknown
Someone decided, you know, like I said, three letter agencies take babies when you can challenge jurisdiction that they were able to take your baby in the first place. That's that's like game over. So when you're not in their jurisdiction and you can prove it through your private records, that's a whole new realm. Like jurisdiction was a whole it's a rabbit hole in itself.
00;29;47;07 - 00;30;09;27
Unknown
So yeah, creating your private records to then get the passport without the birth certificate, which I also have a course that walks people through step by step, how to do that, how to handle it, how to talk to the agencies to get what you need, and then get your passport based on nationality instead of citizenship. So yeah, then once you can get that, you can easily get a job.
00;30;09;28 - 00;30;29;14
Unknown
Like if your baby to me that was the really important thing was like I said, not inhibiting him and then really learning all of the ways if you wanted. Because to me, okay, I'll just back up to. I have gone to school, I've got to two bachelor's degrees. I've done the whole public school, the whole bit. I wouldn't choose that for my own kids.
00;30;29;14 - 00;30;45;29
Unknown
I choose a homeschool, I choose unschooling, I choose a very different path. But also, I didn't want to stop him if that's what he wanted to do as he grew up. If he wanted to go to college, I wouldn't want to be like, sorry I didn't get you birth certificate. You can't do that. Well, couldn't he just go get it if he wanted it?
00;30;46;01 - 00;31;06;04
Unknown
Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So when you honestly, when you create all of your private records, it is an easy, easy, easy way to get the birth certificate if you really want. So having those just for yourself is really, really important. What's a private record I mean what does that can you give us a quick I understand you push it out in your offerings, but what the heck does that mean?
00;31;06;06 - 00;31;32;23
Unknown
Oh yeah. No, totally. So for example, one of because there's lots of different records you keep that are private, they're out of the jurisdiction of the United States Corporation, things like family Bibles. People don't realize that something as simple as having a family Bible, it's a book of records, and it's legally considered a book of records. So when your family's information is inside this family Bible, it is legally actually holds more weight than a birth certificate does and is accepted.
00;31;32;24 - 00;31;57;16
Unknown
Sounds crazy. Wait, what family information is inside a family Bible? So your family's information, like your family tree and the birth that you've had it like it sounds. So I feel like we get so into this concept of like, what is it like legit if we didn't get Big Brother's approval and they actually do. When you go to these agencies, a lot of the first first layer people like show up with your Bible.
00;31;57;17 - 00;32;24;00
Unknown
I'm honestly, honestly, it sounds crazy, but I've actually created so it doesn't actually. There's so many old world things that still play, if you know what they are. I'm not pretending I do, but this is a great example. Yes, and it was actually shocking to me how how it actually holds more weight. And it's just been lost for good reason, because they don't want you to know that you can actually do all of this on your own.
00;32;24;02 - 00;32;46;23
Unknown
They want you to believe that you need them to function, but they make the laws. Why wouldn't they just change the law? Right? Well, the thing is, is it is under the original written constitution that your your religious beliefs have to be honored. And this is not like an organized religion thing. You can believe, just like your belief that I don't believe in contracting my baby and making them human collateral, that's that's my belief.
00;32;46;23 - 00;33;08;18
Unknown
And they have to honor that and they have to accept secondary forms actually for everything. They just, you know, and the thing is, is I started realizing as I started really unpacking my beliefs. Most of the time when people are like, because a lot of people hold disbelief really strongly that but you can't do X, Y, and Z without the birth certificate and you start realizing and asking them, why do they need the birth certificate?
00;33;08;18 - 00;33;29;17
Unknown
And generally you'll start finding that it's they want to know that your baby can legally and lawfully be here. And when you show them a passport with their nationality, it's like, oh, okay. Yeah, totally. Once you have that, like you said, that's actually the golden ticket. The birth certificate is the like laid out way to get that. But you're really after the passport.
00;33;29;18 - 00;34;03;06
Unknown
Exactly, exactly. So yeah, it is just getting past the people that's, you know, they're trained to do their job. And when they say no, you can't, you say yes, they can. Let me talk to your superior and you get what you want. That's an interesting point because on the birth certificate side as well, which obviously most people get as free birthers, women are constantly navigating the ignorance and just the, the newness, you know, the novelty of being the first person to go to Vital Records and be like, I would like this.
00;34;03;09 - 00;34;22;15
Unknown
And they obviously say, you know, where's your proof of pregnancy? And then the woman's like, I don't have any. And they're like, oh, we can't do it. And they're hitting their hitting walls. But it's because of ignorance. They're not real walls. Right. And people ask me all the time like how to navigate that. And I'm like, you need to understand there are no real walls.
00;34;22;16 - 00;34;49;10
Unknown
Like your whole vibe of how you approach this will determine how it goes. Absolutely. 1,000% everything you said. And for me, you know, I had a free birth myself, and I've had mothers that want the birth certificate because, you know, there are some things you really kind of internally have to make this decision before. But even using these private records can get you the birth certificate if you want.
00;34;49;11 - 00;35;17;23
Unknown
Like it's really. Yeah. All the affidavits and the templates that I've created really make it a simple process no matter what way you go. Because maybe some, some moms can go this path and they decide later. This isn't for me. Having those records are so important to be able to just make that decision at any time. So yeah, I can I can feel the part of me that's just like programed that is like, that's hard to believe the private record thing.
00;35;17;25 - 00;35;35;13
Unknown
But I also understand, you know, how indoctrinated my brain is. So. Yeah. So you just. Can we go back to the Bible for a second? Yeah. You. I any of us? I don't think we have. Maybe my husband has a Bible in the house. I don't know if there's a Bible in house, but if there were, I could write.
00;35;35;13 - 00;35;54;11
Unknown
But only a Bible. Could it be like a notebook? And does it have to be a Bible? It could, but the thing is, is an actual Bible is the easiest thing because like I said, it's seen in law and you do. You are standing on your religious beliefs too. So it makes it kind of like easy out whether or not you believe in the actual Bible or not.
00;35;54;12 - 00;36;23;13
Unknown
And then I could just write the kids name and the date they were born. Yes, you can literally go to a hotel and pull out the Bible from the drawer in the Holiday Inn and say, this is my family Bible, and you're writing your information inside it because legally it's considered a contract. What's the connection point between I have my Bible with my kids, date of birth, and it's my private record, and then how am I showing that Bible to get my passport?
00;36;23;18 - 00;36;44;22
Unknown
Great question. So I've created like affidavits as well that incorporate your family Bible. So that way you don't have to walk in with your Bible and you're like, hey, scan my Bible in. So yeah, no, I've created affidavits where it's they go kind of hand in hand. You don't want to Bible or anything, but you do have and again, there's, there's a few other steps that go along with it.
00;36;44;22 - 00;37;15;18
Unknown
But that is, that is a very important part of it. Even like baptism certificates, people don't realize that those are considered identification. I didn't know you got a certificate for that. Yeah. So actually became a minister just so I could provide resources for people looking to go down this path because. Because I even have a friend that she didn't want the birth certificate, but her husband really wanted to get the social because he wanted to do taxes or whatever, which that's a whole other rabbit hole in itself.
00;37;15;18 - 00;37;35;20
Unknown
But everyone's kind of in their own place. So he wanted the tax write off. So they were able to use these private records with the baptism certificate and things to get the social without the birth certificate. So there are all these different ways, the secondary forms, like I said, that people don't realize. And again, I'm not I'm not part of any organized religion.
00;37;35;20 - 00;38;00;22
Unknown
So none of the certificates that I give out are being baptizing people into religion. Really, what it means is you're giving a name and yeah, you're you're standing on your religious belief. So it's fascinating. I'm sure this is its own rabbit hole, but can you just briefly touch on your choice not to get him a social. Yeah. How?
00;38;00;23 - 00;38;32;23
Unknown
I mean, I don't know if there's anything more intentionally confusing than taxes. Yes. And. Yeah. So, like, how does that work or how is that going to work? Okay. Wonderful question. Because the whole tax system is a whole rabbit hole in itself. But the tax system is a voluntary system. I'm going to start by saying that. And anyone listening to this, I have a million different resources on my web page that if you're really ready to go down all these rabbit holes, there's resources for you.
00;38;32;23 - 00;38;57;07
Unknown
So I'm just going to touch on these things. Yeah. The tax system is voluntary first and foremost. Okay. Second, the Social Security number. It's a social insurance fund. So all it is is it's a life insurance fund and it's a social life insurance fund. Okay. So they're actually making money off of us. They're making cash value life insurance off all of us that are paying into this social insurance fund.
00;38;57;08 - 00;39;19;05
Unknown
Our social security number is also our employee number, our employee number to the corporation, the old social security numbers, if you even look it up back because the Social Security came out in, in, in I can't remember the exact year either the early 20s or 30s. If you look at old Social Security cards, it literally says employee signature.
00;39;19;06 - 00;39;44;00
Unknown
Well, that makes sense. I mean, you get it in for your business. And yeah, that's the same. So it's an angel. But for the corporation. Yeah. So when you can intentionally you realize the birth certificate, they create a trust. And that trust has an iron ore also known as the Social Security number. So if you intentionally create a trust in your baby's name with an angel, they literally use that in, in place of a social.
00;39;44;02 - 00;40;04;17
Unknown
Okay, well, kind of trust a private trust one that's not in the jurisdiction of the United States. And so then anywhere that the social is needed, you're going to use the one. And do you make that one up. So no. So you actually you create a trust but you don't have to. So we have to realize everything is contracts to.
00;40;04;19 - 00;40;24;29
Unknown
So when we got a social security number from the social insurance like it says on the card, this is not yours. This is Social Security Administration. It's not owned by you. So you're just using this number essentially for banking and to access certain things. So this Social Security number allows you to access benefits from the United States Corporation.
00;40;24;29 - 00;40;44;04
Unknown
And one of those benefits is having the IRS do bookkeeping. So if you consider that a benefit and you want to opt in to that benefit, you can do that. But you also have to realize that you can just like you can create your private records, you can create private trusts that aren't contracted with the United States. You didn't.
00;40;44;09 - 00;41;11;21
Unknown
You can also create trusts that are contracted with the IRS. You have to make them a party in your contract though. So it's all about you start realizing who is a party in this contract and how it works. A birth certificate is a contract with the United States Corporation, so we're intentionally making a contract with them. And yes, you have to abide by the contract when it comes to taxes, though, when you signed your first 1040, again, this was a voluntary system.
00;41;11;22 - 00;41;29;17
Unknown
You contracted and you said I would gift this money. So when all these listeners hear your offers and they go on to your website and pay for all this stuff. So that's another thing too, because I think a lot of people have a hard time hearing that where they're like, well, you're enjoying the roads, you're enjoying all these different things begging.
00;41;29;19 - 00;41;52;20
Unknown
There's the libraries, the schools, you know, whatever. So people don't realize, oh God, the roads, the roads. I don't care about any of that. Yeah, that's not where I go. I'm just like, really? I'm just going to throw that out there because a lot of people hold this strong. A lot of people don't realize to that the whole income tax, the IRS is a foreign company.
00;41;52;22 - 00;42;13;13
Unknown
Their headquarters are in Puerto Rico. So when you're paying money into that, actually all that money, right, goes offshore. So none of your income tax money is going towards running the country. If you really want to help run, run your communities, pay your property taxes. I do pay my property taxes to do a little bit of an explanation on how things work.
00;42;13;14 - 00;42;36;04
Unknown
We have the District of Columbia. There's a reason why the District of Columbia is not a state. That's what the United States corporation is. So we have District of Columbia, aka doing business as United States government. You can actually even look this up because the United States corporation has its own guns number, which is just for business. Okay.
00;42;36;06 - 00;43;03;19
Unknown
Sub Corporation of United States is State of California. Sub Corporation of state of California is Los Angeles City. So these are just sub corporations of the corporation if that makes sense. So even your name on the birth certificate is a sub corporation of United States. So really all you're paying is you're paying money because corporation of United States is in debt and they owe money to bankers.
00;43;03;19 - 00;43;26;27
Unknown
So when you're paying your income tax, you're just paying the interest on that debt. Yeah. Voluntarily though. But like your money that you make like goes into a normal bank. Yes. Yeah. But it's a private fund and it's not attached to a social Security number because you have a trust number. Yep. And they didn't blink an eye at that number.
00;43;27;01 - 00;43;46;19
Unknown
No. Because it's legit. Somehow it is. Well you are you do get the number from the IRS, but you're not including them as a party in your contract. Gotcha, gotcha. Interesting. So we're. Yeah. Yeah. How old is your younger kid? The youngest is two. So you've learned all this in the last three years? Yeah, yeah, and it's how I operate.
00;43;46;19 - 00;44;02;12
Unknown
So really, here's the thing. Because there's there's this aspect of sovereign babies, right? They need to be set up in a specific way. Like you have to have to get their private records. You have to get them a passport if you want them to function. You have to have a trust or an iron somehow that they're operating and using.
00;44;02;12 - 00;44;24;01
Unknown
So they can still function that way. But truly, you'll start realizing as you go this path, it's a nine digit number and they don't even know the difference. So it starts getting a little interesting when you realize an eight in a social really are the same. Yeah, okay, that makes sense to me. So your business has its own trust given number.
00;44;24;03 - 00;44;43;17
Unknown
So my trust has an angel and it's so I won't liken this trust to that I'm talking about and is the same as like a free birth kind of in a way. So people can create trust and people create trust all the time. With a lawyer, the moment you have a lawyer, create your trust. It's statutory. That's just like having a licensed midwife attend your birth.
00;44;43;17 - 00;45;03;23
Unknown
It's going to be attached to the state. Okay. But you can actually create private trusts with your private Ein and still operate the same way, but outside of the system, you're just not contracting with the state to do it. But you have a different nine digit number than your business, right? My trust? Yeah, my social nine digit number.
00;45;03;27 - 00;45;29;05
Unknown
Oh, I guess you have a social. I have a social. Yeah. So how how do you have a social and not pay taxes? Because I'm operating out of a trust instead. My my social doesn't get paid. I don't pay my social anymore, so. And that's fine. I know the tax thing can get really really confusing. I have partners that have a Thursday night webinar every single Thursday you can attend.
00;45;29;06 - 00;45;56;20
Unknown
I have it on my website to their contact information. It really goes into the depths of the the tax thing and how you even look at a dollar bill. The dollar bill has two seals on it and it's a contract. People don't realize that a Federal Reserve note is a debt note. And anyway, goes into the UK's all these different things, realizing that you actually had a choice to use a Federal Reserve note because that's a seal on there or a Treasury note.
00;45;56;20 - 00;46;19;13
Unknown
So there's a way that you can still file taxes. File. I'm saying when I say you still file your taxes, but you don't owe taxes because you're using Treasury notes versus Federal Reserve notes. When you use a Federal Reserve note, you owe, you know, income tax. So there's a lot of different ways in these contracts and legalese that people aren't reading.
00;46;19;13 - 00;46;35;19
Unknown
And again, that's for good reason. They don't want you to your business. The moment they find out that you're born, they see a dollar sign on your forehead. And so they're like, we want that person to have a birth certificate. We want them in the public school system. We want them paying taxes. Yeah, of course you're a dollar sign.
00;46;35;20 - 00;46;53;29
Unknown
So it all kind of just, you know, goes hand in hand when you realize all the loopholes that they've tricked us into believing they've walked us down a road. And when we didn't even really realize there's a whole other road down here that we can be operating out of, they weren't like, here's all of your options, right? Exactly, exactly.
00;46;54;04 - 00;47;17;10
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00;48;07;19 - 00;48;27;28
Unknown
See you on the inside, sis. So is it even possible once your child has the birth certificate and the social how to get them out of it? Because you said your first son has those. Yeah. So I want to say to, Because I think a lot of people like, hear this and they're like, oh my gosh, I made a mistake.
00;48;27;29 - 00;48;47;12
Unknown
I feel like when you learn the game and how things really operate, we are all generally born and we're looking around thinking we're all the little pieces in the monopoly board. We've been taught that. But when you can kind of zoom out and you see the full game and how it's played, you actually can learn to jump in and jump out of the game.
00;48;47;14 - 00;49;09;18
Unknown
Okay, so I'm not afraid of the birth certificate that my son has. There are ways he can utilize it. I'm not afraid of the birth certificate that I have. There are ways that I can utilize it to my benefit. But when you start realizing that all it is is a trust and it's a social and you're using their business and they essentially own everything you've ever bought with your social because they're the owners of the trust.
00;49;09;19 - 00;49;31;17
Unknown
They own your ass, literally including your kids, you know? But when you can actually create, intentionally create a private trust and you start operating out of that, it's outside of their jurisdiction. You don't have to play by any of those rules. But if you want to play with your social trust, sure do it when it benefits you. If you want to use this outside trust, do it when it benefits you.
00;49;31;17 - 00;49;51;13
Unknown
So it really is about playing playing the whole game. So I would say ultimately because there's this whole, you know, I'm sure a lot of people that have gone down this path a little bit have heard of status correction. Have you heard much about that concept? There is that concept of like correcting your contracts. Again, I start talking about taxes and things.
00;49;51;13 - 00;50;12;15
Unknown
No one should just stop paying your taxes ever. Okay? You've created a contract that said you would pay taxes. You owe those taxes. When you're doing status correction, you're correcting those contracts. There's another way to there's a lot of different ways you can do things. Like we were saying, there's a lot of options. Another option is to stop even using an entity in their jurisdiction.
00;50;12;17 - 00;50;37;22
Unknown
That's another way that you don't owe taxes because you're not operating in their jurisdiction. So there's a few ways to do things. I think what comes up in my brain when I hear this, what I. So is it even possible once your child has the birth certificate and the social how to get them out of it? Because you said your first son has those.
00;50;37;24 - 00;50;56;27
Unknown
Yeah. So I want to say too, because I think a lot of people like, hear this and they're like, oh my gosh, I made a mistake. I feel like when you learn the game and how things really operate, we are all generally born and we're looking around thinking we're all the little pieces in the monopoly board. We've been taught that.
00;50;56;28 - 00;51;12;10
Unknown
But when you can kind of zoom out and you see the full game and how it's played, you actually can learn to jump in and jump out of the game. Okay, so I'm not afraid of the birth certificate that my son has. There are ways he can utilize it. I'm not afraid of the birth certificate that I have.
00;51;12;11 - 00;51;38;12
Unknown
There are ways that I can utilize it to my benefit. But when you start realizing that all it is is a trust and it's a social and you're using their business and they essentially own everything you've ever bought with your social because they're the owners of the trust. They own your ass, literally including your kids, you know? But when you can actually create, intentionally create a private trust and you start operating out of that, it's outside of their jurisdiction.
00;51;38;12 - 00;51;51;10
Unknown
You don't have to play by any of those rules and also play with your, you know, I hear a lot of stuff about when it's made, and I don't know, I just hear a lot of this outside and I don't know what's real, because the thing I make, I really is at the end of the day, the whole game.
00;51;51;10 - 00;52;10;16
Unknown
So I would say because there's the in charge, you know, I'm sure a lot of people that have gone down this path a little bit have heard of status correction. Have you heard much about that concept? There is that concept of like correcting your contracts. Again, I start talking about taxes and things. No one should just stop paying your taxes ever.
00;52;10;18 - 00;52;34;29
Unknown
Okay? You've created a contract that said you would pay taxes. You owe those taxes. When you're doing status correction, you're correcting those contracts. There's another way to there's a lot of different ways you can do things. Like we were saying, there's a lot of options. Another option is to stop even using an entity in their jurisdiction. That's another way that you don't owe taxes because you're not operating in their jurisdiction.
00;52;35;00 - 00;53;09;13
Unknown
So there's a few ways to do things is easier than my brain. Once they do, they make examples. What I imagine for sure on other people would think even the whole terms citizen like I'm not. It's the same thing as play the game like like target on my back. They come for me like, okay, so I saw this video a long time ago on YouTube and it could be propaganda for all I know, but I saw this video of a cop pulling over a guy, and the guy was like, I'm sovereign.
00;53;09;13 - 00;53;36;22
Unknown
I'm sovereign because he was asking for his license. And the guy was like, I don't have a license, I'm sovereign. And the cop was like, shut the fuck up! And like, pulled him out of the car and like, beat him up. And I remember seeing that and being like, it makes me think of my time as a dual in the hospital, where it's like, I would know all these human rights and all these legal rights, and if no one gave a shit who were in positions of power, you didn't actually really have any rights.
00;53;36;23 - 00;54;10;02
Unknown
And so I would be aware of legal rights and no one would care, and they would violate them all day long. And so that's kind of where my brain is going, is like, I get that it's a big game. I get that there's so many ways to play and like. Yes. And also, you know, I hear a lot of again, like when you I don't know, you just hear a lot of action words and I don't know what's real because the thing I make up is at the end of the day, taxes are paying taxes.
00;54;10;02 - 00;54;31;16
Unknown
That's is in charge. And if he wants to reading this way, you know, meaning government, if they want to make an example of you or what take you down or what it seems you need to be really honest is is is a censorship really fight back on their level? Like you were saying this fiction and you're like, how tax system is this?
00;54;31;17 - 00;54;51;20
Unknown
I mean, it's not I don't really have like an end thought, but just like so so what if the government, you know, heard this episode and was like, that bitch isn't paying taxes? I don't think so. And then, you know, or is it this, like, great hack and there's tons of people not paying taxes and we're I'm just like the little man who's over here like an idiot banker.
00;54;51;20 - 00;55;12;25
Unknown
Texas. Like, maybe it's easier than I thought. No, it actually is much easier than you thought. And of course they do. They make examples for sure on the internet. That's very real. But sometimes source of of them taking like that's you may it's the same thing as conspiracy theorists or anti-vax or different things that this you can't be sovereign and a citizen too.
00;55;12;27 - 00;55;36;23
Unknown
That's actually the whole funny part about it is anyway. Yes, they're always going to make an example. And you're absolutely right. Like, the thing is, is when you start realizing who you are and you start operating out of this way, it's also how you show up in the world and how you're having interactions. To me, having an interaction with the Vital Statistics Office is is the same energy and you're all you have to do it lovingly.
00;55;36;25 - 00;55;53;18
Unknown
You know what I mean? You're connecting through love. They're never going to see you if you don't connect through love. Sure. And of course there are. Just like during Covid times, right? When you walked into a store and they were like, you need to wear your mask, was that legal or lawful? No, it wasn't, but you had you had to decide how you moved forward.
00;55;53;18 - 00;56;12;11
Unknown
Did you just put your mask on? That seemed like where you needed. You just wanted to say something like, you know what I mean? I was going to always be the same game raid. Well, okay, but now go to seven figure company not mean. And we all been groomed like, we just seemed like such a higher level of, like, fuck you than not wearing a mask.
00;56;12;12 - 00;56;32;05
Unknown
Yeah. And walking out like, oh, you got to be really ready to. Well, the thing is, again, like when you start learning how jurisdiction works, it's king. And there are out there paying. They're not paying taxes. None of them are paying taxes. That's actually the funny part. None of them. They're all operating the way. I would hope not.
00;56;32;06 - 00;56;54;02
Unknown
If they're that high of the game, you know, I would hope that it seems it seems that high. But really all it is, is, is a censorship of information. Okay. So if they can just not tell you that, hey, this tax system is voluntary and they can get us to volunteer our taxes and volunteer our income. Yeah. Fair enough.
00;56;54;03 - 00;57;27;00
Unknown
Okay. Well, I would like to opt out. Yeah. Also. Yeah, I'm thinking about you talking about the three letter agencies taking babies and stuff and. Yeah, my mind. Yeah. Just, you know, obviously a very scary and very real situation that free birthers, you know, some tend to be really nervous about. There aren't many, but there are some stories CPS gets involved very rarely, but sometimes I've heard of stories of course, of of them taking the baby at least threatening to or temporarily.
00;57;27;05 - 00;57;55;16
Unknown
And so yeah, I'm just thinking about that. That's something I'd like to know more about, because what happened in those stories that gave those people jurisdiction? Yeah. So a birth certificate will make them believe they have jurisdiction. I've had me a lot if it's pre pre worth. Yeah. No no pre birth certificate. Yeah. Like so they're everything's on contract and everything's based on assumption.
00;57;55;19 - 00;58;22;13
Unknown
So when you can challenge their jurisdiction and challenge that they even have jurisdiction in the first place. That's where you win. But you have to you have to be confident and stand strong in that challenging of their jurisdiction. Otherwise it's assumed they're always going to assume right, right, right, right. So that seems like where you need to have some street smarts about you, because obviously most people are quite afraid of authority and feel very small with with this kind of stuff.
00;58;22;16 - 00;58;42;04
Unknown
And I see and we've all been groomed, Freebirds, we've all been great. Right. And I it's a fair thing because you and I want to say this to always do what's like being I want to say be intuitive, to know the game. And then when you're in a situation, do what feels good. And it's like, you know what I mean?
00;58;42;04 - 00;59;00;16
Unknown
Because resistance is going to be met with resistance. Nothing's going to feel good in a situation, child being right. But if they're going to try and take your child, sometimes you need to do what you need to do. I'm just going to say that, you know what I mean? Like, instead of being like, I'm sovereign and you're, you know, like you have to be intuitive enough sometimes.
00;59;00;17 - 00;59;20;12
Unknown
And I like to say using specific language, like for some people that, you know, come in and they're like, I don't want to inject my baby, you know, and they're coming in that way. That's going to be with resistance. But when you're using specific language to like, I appreciate that offer. Not today, but I'll let you know if I change my mind.
00;59;20;13 - 00;59;45;23
Unknown
You know what I mean? You're not refusing. Yeah, you're not refusing, but you're you're not accepting the offer. Everything is an offer. Everything is a contract. And we we get ourselves in different things, even verbal contracts, we don't realize. So when you realize how you're contracting in the first place. We're contracting every time we have a lawyer represent ourselves or we have an OB.
00;59;45;25 - 01;00;04;11
Unknown
You know, at our birth, we are kind of we are giving up rights. So we have to realize how we're contracting in the first place to stand on ground. So again, it is knowing the game. You do. Yeah. No one just jump into this world. It took me a long time to digest things, you know, and feel confident in it too.
01;00;04;14 - 01;00;20;01
Unknown
You know, so don't just willy nilly just kind of like, I feel like it just in free birth in the first place. You, you you want to be confident that you're doing what you're doing before you just go do it. So they ended up there very much. Maybe for one, you can have a biological event and not shit about short.
01;00;20;03 - 01;00;44;09
Unknown
They ended up having like baby and it was actually a rebirth, but I was in my lap of my story. This is an intellectual group message. You know, with all of that going on, you should have your head wrapped around it too, like you said, to shift yourself from the porn to actually co-creating the game. I mean, I really hear that, and I see how free birth is an obvious gateway into that.
01;00;44;11 - 01;01;11;15
Unknown
So yeah, I'd like to move into your free birth story of your son. Yeah, yeah. So you have seen and you're learning all about and how to be sovereign, how to have this baby with no birth certificate. So. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it just I don't know, as I started going down the path, it just like just after my first birth and it was so like I just did this, like, why would I ever hire someone else to go do this?
01;01;11;16 - 01;01;35;00
Unknown
Like, to me, it just seems so crazy to me that we think other people need to to do it anyway. It totally is like a biological event. Like you said, it just your body knows what to do. And just the more you start realizing that if interventions that start we bring into our space, whether it be the people in their energies like that was that was so apparent to me.
01;01;35;00 - 01;01;54;01
Unknown
So as as we started approaching the birth, a lot of things started boiling up inside of me. Of course, on the what ifs, the what about, you know, which I've had to really unpack with really everything, even this other path that I'm walking down, you know what I mean? I have to really face these fears. And is it true?
01;01;54;01 - 01;02;18;25
Unknown
And all of it, you know, because of course, your baby, you know, nothing guarantees a healthy baby. And you know, what was really interesting for me specifically is I, I, my husband's cousin was pregnant. We were pregnant at the same time. Her her due date was a week after mine, and she ended up having her baby a week before me.
01;02;18;25 - 01;02;40;11
Unknown
And she she her she actually ended up having a breach birth home birth with a traditional midwife actually. And this baby came out and something wasn't right. Some it wasn't breathing. So they ended up transferring. This baby got life flighted. A long story short, they ended up having to pull the plug on this baby and it was just really heartbreaking.
01;02;40;11 - 01;03;00;25
Unknown
But I'm going to say I was in my last days of my pregnancy, and I'm sitting here in this group message with all of this going on and really having to like, again, all these things are boiling up inside of me. All these feelings of like, you know, of course there's fear from my mother in law and rightfully so, you know, of like, are you sure this is the path for you?
01;03;00;27 - 01;03;26;05
Unknown
Like, are you sure? Because look at what just happened. And still standing, you know, being able to be a witness to their pain and their experience and also choose not to take that on because I knew it could and would affect my birth if I let it. So there was really this like battle I feel like, I want to say, contending with me, that I got to face that really head on with this whole experience of like that.
01;03;26;05 - 01;03;46;22
Unknown
That is a that could be a reality, you know? So I feel like to me because I think he yeah, it was I feel like the very end days of my pregnancy were very, very intense, even just this feeling of like intensity because my first birth was like very intense. So really, really remembering to like, oh yeah, that's it's intense.
01;03;46;23 - 01;04;16;17
Unknown
It's intense. And learning to be like, okay, welcome the intensity. Yeah. You know, all these feelings started coming up. So I'm just I'm grateful for them because I feel like all the things do come up divinely so that you can walk through the fire. In a way, they are these initiations. So yeah, is as that kind of started boiling up, I'm grateful for my amazing husband who was willing to, you know, stand by my side and was on the same journey with me.
01;04;16;17 - 01;04;35;10
Unknown
And of course, we had a million different conversations as we were choosing this path, where he kept feeling at first he was like, well, I feel like you're asking me to be the midwife. And that feels like a really big task you're asking me to do. And the more conversations we had, it was like, I'm asking you to trust me.
01;04;35;13 - 01;04;56;26
Unknown
I'm asking you to be the shaman and to be your husband. Yes, yes, yes. So when he realized his role was just to trust me and to just be the ground because I. And he knows that he was like, well, you know, pregnant women, they aren't here. So I feel like I, you know, you know, he felt like those were big shoes.
01;04;56;29 - 01;05;21;25
Unknown
But then loving. I love that he chose to step into those shoes and feel like he was just as prepared as I was to be open to the unfolding. So, yeah, we I mean, anything something would not be great. Yeah, yeah. Comfortable. Because how much this benefits your marriage to like when our men step up man up, grow up.
01;05;21;26 - 01;05;42;22
Unknown
Right. Which which is kind of the inherent dynamic I feel like, of marrying a powerful woman. It's like, you better keep up, baby. Written down that I really wanted. And then when they do, it's just so it was like. It's like, like as good as it gets, it really is. And it just it propels the relationship in so many different ways and in all ways, I would say.
01;05;42;22 - 01;05;59;16
Unknown
But I feel like that really was the whole basis of him truly choosing to trust me, because I think he knew, deep down in his soul what it would do if he didn't trust me, like what that would do to our relationship. So seeing these two forks in the road and he he got to really choose that fork.
01;05;59;17 - 01;06;31;26
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, because this train was going this way regardless and birth parallel. Yeah. So anyway, I think free verse fathers are freaking amazing. So amazing that they realize the bigger picture of the relationship aspect. So yeah, I was grateful for that. My mom was the only person I really knew that fully trusted me as well. So we had a whole journey, as you know in itself, with the the birth that I had born in the hospital, all these different things.
01;06;31;26 - 01;06;50;15
Unknown
But her seeing me on my journey, she was the only one that was like, okay, I trust you. So I, I did choose to have her there because I had a two year old as well, right? So I had her there to be because I wanted my little boy to be involved. As much as he wanted to be involved, I did.
01;06;50;16 - 01;07;10;18
Unknown
I do find that to be an important imprint as well for children, that if they feel they want to be there, I gave him that opportunity. So he was there and my mom was there to support, support. The dynamic of if he didn't want to be there, she could go and play and support him while my husband could be fully present.
01;07;10;18 - 01;07;38;08
Unknown
So yeah, it was just I want to say it was like really simple and just like really beautiful. We we were the trampoline park and we were jumping. I started getting I was like, oh, let's see, I was 41 and six days or something. So I was I was very uncomfortable chasing a toddler. But yeah, I just I never had any like pre anything pre Braxton Hicks or anything.
01;07;38;08 - 01;07;57;05
Unknown
It just like when it happened it was it, it was beautiful and it was slow. And that was one of the things I actually had written down that I really wanted. Because in my first birth with my baby, it was like, boom. Like I was in it like out of nowhere with this one, I really connected and I was like, I'd really love.
01;07;57;05 - 01;08;22;09
Unknown
And of course, knowing that I can't create this, but I'd really love to, like, have this slow build and that kind of was how it ended up happening, was this slow build. I could kind of sit and enjoy the slow build, and then it got really intense and and holy shit, it gets really intense. And yeah, the feeling of being I've never been more in my body and outside of my body at the same time.
01;08;22;09 - 01;08;43;01
Unknown
This like parallel. I can't explain in words, you know, like just the feelings, the sensation of being guided on how to move is so incredible. But yeah, at the same time, feeling like I'm leaving to retrieve my baby at the same time. So I was in the bathtub and he came out and his head was still in the sack.
01;08;43;01 - 01;09;03;13
Unknown
So that was really, really cool to feel him still be in the sack. My husband and my two year old jumped in the tub and they were ready. They were? Well, yeah, it was a whole party in the tub. So. And then, yeah, baby comes out, cords wrapped around the neck, you know, all things that you'd be just unwrapped it.
01;09;03;16 - 01;09;20;01
Unknown
He did take a little while to breathe and that was fine. We waited on it, just intuitively just rubbed his back, talked to him and he he did great. It was really, really, really amazing. So yeah, we just moved to my bed and it was just amazing. It was just like I said, it was so simple. It was so beautiful.
01;09;20;01 - 01;09;47;13
Unknown
We did a lotus birth with him as well and it was his magical. I feel like the lotus birth in itself too is such a magical experience that I, I love, I'm so passionate about just because you feel to me. The day he took about three days to detach from his umbilical cord and it just like I felt this physical expansion of I can, I can, I can do more because I was always my worry going from 1 to 2.
01;09;47;14 - 01;10;08;13
Unknown
Was that like, can I be enough, you know? Yeah. You know, so I'd like to feel it suddenly, like my feet landed on the ground and I was like, I felt like I could do it. And I'm not saying life's not. Doesn't really hard. There are, you know, lots of challenges, but I physically felt my self expand. It was really cool.
01;10;08;13 - 01;10;30;17
Unknown
So how did you you said you did a lotus birth with the baby center. The birth center baby. You brought him home in a car seat with his placenta. Yeah. So. So really it sounds quite the image. So I've created these like bags in all these different things. So it's just like a little bag that literally sits on their belly.
01;10;30;18 - 01;10;37;00
Unknown
So yeah. Yeah it really is just like the cars be a.
01;10;37;02 - 01;10;58;09
Unknown
Yeah. And we honestly we lived five minutes away from them. So I like I basically just carried to him on my lap on the way home. But then we didn't leave the house after for for a while. So it was very, very intentional. You know, a lotus birth is is not convenient, but it was very forced us to be very intentional.
01;10;58;09 - 01;11;19;16
Unknown
I feel like with the people and keeping baby close skin to skin, that kind of thing. So I really loved it. I've seen the gamut, man. I've seen dogs eat it and cats like, you know, they leave the room and the babies in the room with the placenta and they come back and they're eating the freaking closed door.
01;11;19;17 - 01;11;45;01
Unknown
I've seen. Wow. Yeah. Like like just the everything, right? Everything happens. The baby was fine in both of those stories. It was quickly caught, but disgusting. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah, definitely be intentional if you have animals or when I was born. Notice birth births, harbor pets. Do you have that? I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It's just it smells so amazing to them.
01;11;45;03 - 01;12;18;21
Unknown
You really would need if you have if you have animals that are, like, pretty integrated into your home. I've heard I've never done it, but I've heard that that and seen that. That can be like pretty confusing to them because it just smells so delicious. But I've also seen not saying you are this, this type of woman, but I've seen some of my type A mom's or like my big people pleaser clients really do well with the Lotus birth because it gives them that layer of slow down, stay in bed protection.
01;12;18;22 - 01;12;38;16
Unknown
Don't have people over, you know, it's like it offers kind of an energetic, well, very literal. Like, I remember this one mom who had a very traditional Korean family. And then, yeah, I think that's what it was. And she wanted to lose birth. And so she just the idea was that everyone would, you know, come be all up in her grill.
01;12;38;16 - 01;13;02;18
Unknown
And so she told everyone that the baby was still attached to the placenta and no one would come over. And so in a good way. So it gained her three days or something. Yeah. Yeah, it really is definitely this, like energetic, this spiritual. Obviously it's a spiritual thing. But I started realizing mostly this energetic connection between mom and baby is really, really what was so important to me.
01;13;02;18 - 01;13;18;08
Unknown
I in hindsight, when things happened, I was very drawn to it. I was very drawn to it. And like I said, even in my first birth, I had asked the midwife about it and she was like, yeah, I mean, I've heard of people doing it, but I don't know anyone that's done it. So it was really hard for me to even find resources already.
01;13;18;09 - 01;13;47;25
Unknown
I couldn't even talk to someone that had done it because I couldn't find anyone that had. So I kind of just had to like, go this path trusting it. But after I did it, I started really recognizing the reasons why I felt so drawn to it. And I feel like when you're drawn, like certain people are going to be drawn to it and some people aren't, and I feel like, yeah, do what you feel called to personally, this connection to mom, baby, I was not connected to my mother energetically, just even throughout our lives.
01;13;47;25 - 01;14;08;04
Unknown
So for me, that was like a really important component of it. And I realized how I felt. So when I was born, I was actually born with an umbilical hernia, and I ended up having to get surgery when I was two for that. So. So to me, there are some of these things that I feel like energetically were a void that I really turned into my value.
01;14;08;04 - 01;14;31;07
Unknown
I feel like I was able to honor. And really for him, it was really important for me to honor this choice of choosing when he decided to fully transition her side. So that was that imprint to me on. I got to choose because you really are. You're in this other world for days. And when he got to decide, like, hey, now I'm ready, that imprint was really important.
01;14;31;07 - 01;14;51;10
Unknown
So yeah. The slowdown. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I'm interested in you. How do you feel? I mean, everything we talked about like, where are you with the versus? Like, I'm curious on your. I'd love to know where you are. I feel to pay for you. And it's gonna be for everyone. Yeah. Let's figure that out. Let's figure that piece out first.
01;14;51;11 - 01;15;10;26
Unknown
Yeah, well, now I don't want anyone, like, listening here. Think like. Because I think a lot of this stuff can bring up feelings, too, because people hold beliefs so strong to about like, oh, you're not paying taxes or whatever. And just knowing, I don't know, when you start really learning the logging to cares, who cares what they think?
01;15;10;27 - 01;15;34;08
Unknown
Well, no, I just I want to reference that to people listening that just like anything else, unpack your belief and question that to first or don't either way. Yeah. Good luck. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Great. True. Well thank you so much I love this I'm excited to learn more. Yeah, yeah. We'll leave your links in the show notes. But if you want to say it as well.
01;15;34;08 - 01;15;56;21
Unknown
So women can rush to your site. Go for it. Yeah, yeah. So my website is Veda Revival, V-Day Dot revival. I'm most active on Instagram, so. Oh, sorry. My website is just beta revival. Com but my Instagram has a dot in between. Yeah, I'm most active there, but if you want to check out any of my offerings, they're on.
01;15;56;22 - 01;16;15;26
Unknown
They're all online and learn more. I have a lot of free offerings as well, just so just for education purposes, so people can learn before they're ready to really dive down the path. But but yeah, I love to connect. I really look forward to connecting with listeners that feel called. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
01;16;16;02 - 01;16;40;12
Unknown
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