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Women. Before we dive in today, I need to name something important. This episode, along with all episodes that you will hear until our winter break in mid-December, was recorded before my birth prior to mid-August. Since then, our family has walked through the unimaginable. Our son was stillborn and we are in deep mourning as the shows air, you'll hear and see me pregnant, which now feels incredibly painful and weird.
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Given that you are holding the sacred knowledge of what came after. So please forgive the dissonance. These stories still deserve to be shared and heard. We welcome your prayers, your loving thoughts, and your support as we navigate this spiral of such deep grief. I hope you find resonance and nourishment in this conversation today. Thank you. If you're newly pregnant and feeling the pull towards a sovereign birth, or even just curious about free birth but don't know where to start, I made something for you.
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I'm Emilee Saldaya, and this is where we break the spell of medicalized birth. Remember what's been forgotten and rise together into our birthright to live, birth and mother as sovereign women. Welcome to the show. Italian. Hello. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm excited to be here with you. And first, I just want to name. Thank you for being willing to talk to us at flippin midnight over there in Australia.
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Unknown
I think it's probably the only podcast I get out for midnight and get on because I'm going out. I've been looking forward to this for like a year or so and I'm like, yes, yeah, we've got we've got a lot of birth stories and a lot of evolution. It sounds like to share. So just take us away, because all I really know is that you have six children.
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Unknown
Six children? Yes. So I had my first child. I felt pregnant when I was just 17, 17, 18. So I was still a young couple and I was out of home. And it was just that type of pregnancy that I was kind of on my own, didn't really know anything other than Google and what the doctors were telling me.
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It was a pretty like around 32 weeks she stopped growing or like just wasn't growing. It was kind of like a high, stressful pregnancy. So I feel like if anything, it was more my environment around me that was affecting my pregnancy. Not so much my body or my baby itself. And so they wanted to like push for induction.
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And I like, was like, I didn't want it. But then I made it to 36 weeks and then I was just like in tears every day because of how much they were just, like, not going. We've got to push for induction. Let's get it out. So I at least got to do it.
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And as soon as I birthed my first Egypt, I had a retained placenta straight away. And I know that was just because my body was like rejecting the induction itself. And they just tugged on my cord for like nearly an hour pulling at it. It just was like. And me being like an 18 year old in that situation, I you just kind of almost just let them do anything because you don't know, I guess what's right or wrong or what my rights and things are in those types of settings.
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Unknown
I think my mum wouldn't have even been able to advocate for me or my. My grandma, I think, was even there. Yeah. And I had my little sister and stuff. And then I think it wasn't like because I had with that she was only tiny, she was only 1.9 kilos and I still teared. But it wasn't even from the birth.
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Unknown
It was from them pulling at me and tugging and not listening. And then I think they even shoved some morphine into my leg at one point that I didn't consent to and like. Then I even had a reaction to the morphine. And then I ended up having to get my placenta vacuumed out. So then all of these things that I didn't want to have, I ended up still having, even after I burst her.
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Unknown
So like that, I still had to have that to then get my placenta out. And so then even after my like, epidural, I remember coming out of like theater and everything, and I was having a bad reaction to the morphine and I was telling them, like, I'm in and out, I'm in. And it was black and white and everything, and I remember it being like 2:00 in the morning, and they just put Egypt on top of me and they're like, you can just try and breastfeed now.
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And I was like, what? I'm like blacking out. Like I'm fully just having like moments where I'm completely blacking you and going and then like waking up, being like drugged up. And they've just got her on me being like, here you go. You just had a baby. Like he's your baby. And I remember just like, looking at them and just being, like, slurring my surgery and, like, take her off me.
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Unknown
I'm going to drop her. Like, she's going to just fully drop and she's only this tiny little baby. And then I like it was just horrible after that because it was anything I wanted was I wanted to be there to breastfeed or they fed her a bottle already, or they I wanted to be the one to first bath, and then I'd get there and they're like, oh, we've already done it because she had to stay in the special care.
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Unknown
Sorry for probably like two weeks, which was annoying in the sense now that I looked back at it too, knowing what I knew now, because it was purely just for wait for them to feel happy, to then let her go because she got to a certain way that they were happy with. So let's hurry and evacuate her from the thing that nourishes her to then put her in a plastic box.
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Unknown
Yeah, and stuff her full of synthetic food so that she can then leave. It's pretty. And it was. She literally was just this tiny little baby with such a swollen belly because they were just kind of pumping her and stuff. Yeah. And I just like ten. She'll be 11 this year. So. Yeah. So that was like and then I think the most like one of the most traumatic parts was like not only it being like my first baby, but then you don't leave with your baby.
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Unknown
I'm having to like, have a baby. It's a traumatic birth. I have not been listened to or heard or respected in any way because I'm at teen pregnancy on the Gold Coast, and you wouldn't have been if you had been 30. No it's not well, yeah. No, it was like, you know, it doesn't matter anymore. You're just kind of like an animal in like and then having to, like, leave and not be able to bring her home with me and it just be over a weight issue.
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Unknown
And I'm like, man, I just like, love where I'm at now. Because me now would have just been like, at this time, give him a baby. We're out. My baby is good. She's healthy. Actually, where you're at now is you've made their job meaningless to you. Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't even be in a position that you would be telling them.
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Unknown
Give me your baby because you don't even go there. That's true. No, I don't, I don't I will just, like, never birth a baby in a hospital ever again. And I'm so blessed that, like, my free birth was my, like last pregnancy and last birth. Just because it was like that big bang and like liberation. So it was like the best, like ending, I guess, and blessing to end it like that.
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Unknown
It was really liberating. And my second birth ended up actually was quite chill for, for like hospital, hospital birth, especially compared to my first one, I think then I was going into my second kind of thinking like, oh, it's how are we going to be like my first? Or like, I feel like I planned more to try and like, advocate for myself, but then it's like always goes out the window, I guess.
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Unknown
How many years later is it? Well, I actually felt pregnant with my second like three weeks or four weeks after my first. What? Yeah. So they're only like 11 months apart. Their birthdays are two days apart. Yeah. So, yeah, they're two days apart in November. So then my Irish twins, had it occurred to you yet to not do the hospital thing because it was so awful?
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Unknown
No. And I think my biggest thing was just one. I didn't really have women around me that were in tune with, I guess, themselves in that way, that they'd be able to support me and guide me in the right way. So I felt like the hospital was still like just that go to safest place. And with my older three, I was actually in a DB situation.
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Unknown
So the hospital to me was the safest place. Oh, okay. Being in that type of situation, it was just kind of like, well, at the end of the day, I got fed and I was in a way, yeah, I'm like, well, it's better than what I'm getting. So the first three are the same dad. Yeah. And it wasn't until my third.
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Unknown
Yeah, that I was like, pace, check out. This is not working. Yeah. And then liberated myself of that. And then I guess it just went in lined and went on to my path of, like, finding, I guess when I fell pregnant with my fourth and it was more aware. So the second one was more chill. Yeah. The really chill.
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Unknown
But this adds, you know, with the fact that you were in an abusive relationship, adds a whole nother layer of, you know, your your just where your mind is at, you know, of like you just said, you know, the hospital actually winds up in those situations offering a level of safety and an order. Yeah, I think that's yeah.
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Unknown
Makes sense. It's like it's like this weighed failing of like when you come from abuse or trauma, it's like you have a warm blanket, you get cared for. People come in and check on you and you kind of feel mothered in a weird way, like the closest thing to being mothered as an adult. When you're going through so much, you're just like, well, this is going is scary.
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Unknown
Yeah. And unpredictable, you know? Then yeah, of course. So then anything to say about the third. And just so my third year was like, this was funny, but it was definitely me just not trusting my body and just wanting to kind of same situation. I was just in such a bad environment and situation that I was like mentally trying to just like, come on, like, I need you to, I want you to come like now, like and just trying to mentally, like bought myself into, like, birthing this baby.
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Unknown
So I was just on and off with contractions for like days. And I felt like the more I tried, the more my body would resist. And then I got got to a point where I think I was just the same for so long that someone suggested like, just go to the hospital, go get checked, whatever. And then I went in and then they were just like, oh, well, we'll just break your waters.
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Unknown
And I was like, oh, okay. And just it's it's funny how like when I look back on reflection, how much I'm like comply so easily, I'm like, yeah, sure. Like, yeah, we'll get the baby out. We can just do that and sort of thinking about the actual process of it all. So then I think, yeah, he came in and he just popped my sack.
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Unknown
And then Josiah was born like two hours later. So that just like went really quick. But that was still generally okay. Like I had, I changed hospitals. So that was my biggest thing was I changed hospitals and it was a much better hospital. And the midwives were much, much nicer. And I think that's what helped to is I never had a doctor, anything really come into the room.
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Unknown
I only had these two young girls, and because they were kind of students, they just let me do what I wanted. They weren't really overly like. I found the older ones were really textbook like telling you what to do, like, or like gaslighting you. I guess it'd be like, I'm feeling this way and I'd be like, no, no, no you're not, sweetie.
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Unknown
It's to this. It's to that or something. It happened to me with Egypt's birth. I'd be like, I'd be like, I know my body. I can tell that I'm getting close. And she'd be like, no. Usually with induction, it's like an hour a like a centimeter, an hour a centimeter and kept gaslighting me. And then I stood up and I remember actually putting my hand in there and feeling Egypt.
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Unknown
And I'm just like, I'm pushing. Like I'm like, I know what my body is doing right now. But, no, my third and my second was so much, thankfully, so much better than my first because my first was just so traumatic. So that really did just like, help ease my anxiety a little bit. But once I did fall pregnant with my fourth with winter, we were living back down near Byron Bay, so I was surrounded more by what I was more aligned with and felt more supportive.
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Unknown
So when I did for Pregnant With Her, I did want that more natural birth I was already looking into only birthing. They have a birthing center there that offers more of the natural way. So then if you do want the gas and air or anything like that, you've got to travel and get transferred. So that's what I originally planned.
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Unknown
What do you want to say about from 3 to 4? Because it sounds like there's this really big shift in your life. You switch partners. And I was like, yeah, because leaving that age gap, yeah, yeah, it was massive. So like that age gap between my third to my fourth was five years. And I think it was just becoming that mum so young and going from kind of one toxic thing to then a DV relationship, falling pregnant three times, having no stable environment or household.
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Unknown
And then, I got to a point, I think when I had it was when I had Josiah my third, I was just like that kind of like waking up moment. And he was only knew he was probably only like eight weeks old. And I just had that big moment and I was just like, if I stayed here, this is going to get worse, and I'm probably going to end up falling pregnant again, because that was part of like this whole plan to keep me kind of bound.
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Unknown
And I'm not like, I was like a caged animal my whole life. So it was just so liberating. I went and just stayed with my mum, my mum and dad and my father helped me out so much to get away from that situation. And then I stayed with my mum and just really worked on myself. I like tried the whole yoga thing and I just did anything.
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Unknown
I just tried anything. And leaving that relationship ended up with me having so many health issues now, like dealing with fibromyalgia and like different like say, PTSD and mental health issues and stuff. So that was my focus then to become like a healthier, more healed version. So then I could be like a better version for my older three because I was just like I was surviving.
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Unknown
I was not thriving whatsoever. I was just like survival mode. And then trying to learn how to be a mum at like 18 and, you know, and back then me and my mum, because of the relationship I was in, we didn't have like the best relationship. We were also had that strained relationship. So I was very much alone or felt alone.
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Unknown
So then when I did leave him, it was just like that, literally like those those videos of those cows that have never touched grass. So then like when they finally get to touch grass and they start jumping around and you see all the happiness, that's literally the closest thing I can, like, explain that feeling of like, I'm free.
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Unknown
And then, yeah, I just like worked on myself heaps and moved home back to be to where my dad is and everything. And that's where I'm at. My, my current partner. And then I actually struggled to kind of fall pregnant with my fourth.
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Unknown
Which was funny because I never had issues with my first three. They happened so easy. So my fourth was more, I guess, planned. But yeah, I just remember feeling like safe and content in that chapter of my life. And it was my partner, my current partner's first child. So it was very special when I felt pregnant with my fourth and I felt like.
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Unknown
I don't know, it's just like this fresh new beginning in chapter. And the older three were like probably like six, six, five, three ish, but like getting older and stuff. So I was like, I felt like, I know the timing was just so nice. And right when I fell pregnant with when Tara and I just knew it was funny because around the time I actually felt pregnant with Winter, as I started studying becoming a doula, and I don't even know, like, remember really how that all started.
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Unknown
But most of it was just wanting to advocate for women and doing the whole like helping them and even like the death sound really cool because I had lost my nan recently that year and everything like that. So it was kind of all around the same chapter. But then we dealt with the big floods that hit around the time I was pregnant with my fourth, and it was funny because I remember saying to my partner, I want to have like a stress free pregnancy because of all my other ones.
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Unknown
And you know, I'm going to do everything so different with this one. And it was actually just so stressful. Like we had to move complete like into, like over the border into stay. We lost all our stuff in the floods we like. We were just like everyone was misplaced out of their homes in our hometowns. We were like, well, we're going to have to just move away and start all over again.
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Unknown
Oh, which was a blessing. This guy is now anyway because of where we are now. And so we moved and where we are, the hospital system, it just gets I feel like it's like almost the closer the higher you get up in Australia, the worse the hospitals can. I mean, the higher up like like the more you travel up the coastline of Australia.
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Unknown
Like geographically. Yeah. Yeah. Like towards the top of Queensland and stuff. I swear the hospital systems and stuff just seem to just get worse or you hear worse stories like and everything. And I knew that the system up here was already horrible and it was a, it was funny because I remember going towards my last couple of antenatal appointments with my fourth pregnancy, and I had this older lady midwife that I actually really liked because she used to make jokes to me like, oh, you know, if you go into labor, you don't have to tell us.
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Unknown
And then like wink, like you can just like have the baby at home and then like now, like I realize why because the hospital is horrible, like horrible. And she was probably thought I was more like, very much more capable of just birthing my baby at home, being my fourth, she was like, it'll be quick, you'll be fine.
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Unknown
Like, you know, don't worry about it. Just home birth. And now I'm like, oh, I get it. I should have listened more. I'm like, I get it. But no. My fourth was a really, really didn't want to get induced. My biggest thing was just like, because it's I still just think it's wild how much they really just push and see among to just get you induced because it's more convenient and just quick and easy for them, because then they can just give you a time of day, like they were just going to slip you in here and book you in here and then, hey, profitable.
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Unknown
Oh, 100%. And what helped me with my rebirth with the twins is main choosing to have a doula. But it just so happens that the only daughter that in our my whole entire area free birthed her own child just recently. So then I just knew that when I found her, I was like, I need you just I just need to pick your brain.
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Unknown
I just and it worked out perfectly, but I just didn't know of any of those resources. And I think that's the biggest thing too, is like, I was pregnant with my fourth. I'm like 110. So I was like 27 or something like 26 turning 27 when I had winter and I still didn't know what. I guess my rights and things were when it came to just giving birth in a hospital and like one of the greats a couple of times and, and I just want to kind of pop your your like fantasy bubble about that.
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Unknown
It doesn't matter if you know your rights. They're not honored just because you know them. Yeah that's true. So it's like so really what it is, like we said at the beginning, when you know, your rights, genuinely embody your rights and understand them, you don't go to the hospital, you don't go to the system. No, because you don't need them.
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Unknown
You know. Well, because you understand that rights will be completely violated. Oh, yeah. And you know, this whole rhetoric and the doula world of like, just know your rights and everything will be fine is like a mega disservice to birthing women because it's not true. And, I mean, I've been at the bedside of literally hundreds of women who knew their rights.
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Unknown
I knew their rights, and it still didn't get them anyway. Well, sometimes it made it way worse because now you are, like, objectively non-compliant. You are pissing everybody off. Yeah. And then it's like, let's argue, let's let's find out her. Let's take her baby. Let's talk her so that she's unconscious. I mean, it gets real bad. That's where it gets like scary with the the family and everything like that.
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Unknown
Because with the with my force, it was like, it's something as simple as a, you know, you're getting closer to 43 weeks. The your liquid is like getting very low now. So let's use that to fear monger the crap out of you, make you think that your baby's going to die. You're doing a disservice to your baby. You're going to kill your baby if you don't listen to us, if you don't get induced by this date, if and then even once I even once I, I guess, gave in to like giving birth to her early and things like that.
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Unknown
They're still not happy or anything anyway, because then they stop you around and they just do what they want. I was literally in labor and everyone left, and I remember just being like, very quiet in here. It's my partner and he's just like, do you want me to check if anyone's there? And I'm like, oh, well, I'm only like an hour or whatever into it.
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Unknown
I'm just going to like sway and then see how I'm feeling type thing. And then it was quiet again and I was like, okay, no, it's actually just really quiet. And it was only because a random doctor that was coming from a surgery that just like, came into my room and was like, what are you doing here? And I'm like, what do you mean?
00;27;11;10 - 00;27;30;22
Unknown
Like I'm in labor. What are you doing here? And they're just like, oh, oh, we had crossover. And I guess no one told us that you were even in here. And I'm like, oh, well, that's good to know. And like so it was just all like going wrong. And then I was in some other random room laboring. And then I didn't even want to be there.
00;27;30;29 - 00;27;59;26
Unknown
And then I ended up giving birth to her, like hemorrhaging massively because I was in juice. I know that that's what it was from. And just them just picking at me, prodding at me. And then because I hemorrhaged, it was like, oh, she's bleeding. Let's just invite 1 million people into the room, tell her that she can't do anything that she wants to do, pin her down, hold.
00;27;59;27 - 00;28;27;16
Unknown
Like basically just put their hand inside me, push onto my stomach, make me bleed more, traumatize my body more. And I didn't even get to hold my baby. Oh, wow. Yeah. This is like my partner's first experiencing a birth to. So he's just he's just holding our daughter like, dare I just, like, are you going to die? Like, because he's just like, I wasn't prepared for this.
00;28;27;17 - 00;28;51;12
Unknown
Like, what is going on? Like. And I'm over here just like, like worried about him. I'm like, it's okay. Like it's fine. Like it's all, like, so worried about him. And I'm like, over here. Just like bleeding. Like bleeding blood out of there, out of everywhere. There's all these doctors. And then I remember, even at one point I was screaming at them, no, to get off me.
00;28;51;12 - 00;29;19;00
Unknown
And they still wouldn't listen. So I swung a punch at the doctor because out of just reaction of pain, because they're just they don't listen. I'm like, I was fine. I would have been completely fine. How do they just left me and not touched me? But they were just pushing in my stomach. And just like the trauma that they were just putting on my body and then holding both of my step up, I just like went primal.
00;29;19;00 - 00;29;40;28
Unknown
And I was just I remember just convulsing and just, like swinging my arms to just get them to leave me alone. Because as soon as they left me alone and left me out in like in the room when I got them out and I would only let the midwife I had there with me, I come down and my bleeding and it was just fine, but it was just them coming in and being like, you can't do that.
00;29;40;29 - 00;30;01;27
Unknown
You've got to be on your back and you've got to do this. And I'm like, I like, no, that. That is like, I don't have to do any of that shit. But like, you're in such a vulnerable situation and like, I'm crowning and I'm trying to birth this baby and you're getting yelled at. No. And basically, like, abused.
00;30;02;01 - 00;30;22;12
Unknown
And you're just kind of like fighter flight. What do I do? Both the baby and comply or like, just want to get it over and done with. I don't want to deal with this anymore. This is like traumatic. And then I just wanted to leave because I didn't want to do the vitamin K, I didn't want to do all the tests that they want to do.
00;30;22;13 - 00;30;44;01
Unknown
And there let me bring in my student doctor and do you mind? My student doctor look like touching your baby and feeling your baby and doing all these unnecessary stupid tests. I'm like, I was so primal at that point. I remember them coming in and I'm like, don't touch my baby. I want to leave. I was like, to look, I just want to go.
00;30;44;02 - 00;31;05;00
Unknown
I'm about to like, growl at someone and like, rip someone's head off because I was just just so primal. And so I was really happy that, like, when I just remember getting my placenta because I was, like you said, not touching my placenta, had it in my bag and had my baby. And I was just like, I'm leaving and I'm never fucking coming back to back to this hospital.
00;31;05;00 - 00;31;34;11
Unknown
Every gang then I like. I felt pregnant with the twins when my now fourth was. She was four months, four months old when I fell pregnant with the twins. Yeah, yeah. It happened. So it happened so quick. It was one of those times where we were like, oh, we just won't be careful that one time. And then I looked at Luke and I was like, oh, it's probably a baby.
00;31;34;13 - 00;32;14;04
Unknown
I'm like, sorry, for months. I know, I'm sorry. First tile, I'm like, I can't remember what they call it, where you pop two eggs at once. Hyper hyper ovulation or something. I don't know, that's what the doctor said. And because, like, I didn't even know that twins ran in my family. I intuitively new though, and I when I fell pregnant with twins, I kept making jokes to my partner because we had just bought a new car and we had down sized one of the seats to accommodate for other features.
00;32;14;04 - 00;32;34;22
Unknown
And I always, like, laughed at him and I'd be like, oh, don't you think it's so funny that we went and did that and we're probably going to have twins, and now we can't fit in our car. And that's really what happened. And then with the twins pregnancy, it was just much different. I just intuitively knew that I was like pregnant straight away.
00;32;34;22 - 00;32;55;11
Unknown
And then I confirmed, just like a pregnancy test so I could tell Luke about it. And I remember messaging him and sending him a voice message, and I was like, I'm pregnant and I'm not going to the hospital. I just remember that was all I said. I was just like, you cannot make me. I'm not going back there.
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Unknown
Did you already know about free births?
00;33;00;07 - 00;33;21;08
Unknown
It was around then that that's when I started digging about it. It was literally like the day that I found out I was pregnant. I was just all over. I was just like, how can I have a baby at home without having to the doctor? But that was how naive and things and closed off to even just in general information.
00;33;21;08 - 00;33;42;25
Unknown
I was so unaware of that I didn't even know that even home, the thing was a thing. Still, I just was told that you just go to a hospital. You have the child, you do what they say, you get the things that have to get done. And that's just what you do, because it's a hospital and their doctors and they know best and everything.
00;33;43;01 - 00;34;11;11
Unknown
So it wasn't until that spell was broken for you after being abused for the fourth time. Yeah, because I think I was I was spiritually just completely at a different stage of my awareness with my own body at that point, too, because I went through such a big spiritual awakening after leaving the first my first kid's father and that life and that chapter and everything.
00;34;11;11 - 00;34;42;24
Unknown
So I think because I was more in tune with my body and how I felt and how my body felt, I knew that that was just abuse and that was just wrong. Also, Talia, you were less available for abuse, right? Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Your evolution, you know, you you were I mean, that's kind of. I don't mean to say I don't mean to sound insensitive in this way of framing it, which it might come out that way, but you were available for it.
00;34;42;25 - 00;35;06;12
Unknown
It was what you it was your it was your blueprint at home. It was your all I knew. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Literally all I knew. It's like. So when that's all, you know, you go up. Exactly. Of course it's what's familiar, you know, whether or not and most of our thermostat settings are not very healthy and am and finding someone I will assume is safe.
00;35;06;15 - 00;35;29;07
Unknown
Oh, completely. Yeah. Like and so then it's 360, right. So now then when you go back to that old paradigm that you're used to having, it doesn't land the same way. It's like, wait a minute. This doesn't fit into yeah, 100% of my blueprint now. Yeah. Because I was like when you were describing your fourth birth, I was having the thought.
00;35;29;08 - 00;35;33;04
Unknown
It's so.
00;35;33;07 - 00;35;58;28
Unknown
I don't even know the right word. It's so strange to me that women will hear your birth story, birth, and have heard hundreds of hospital birth stories on this podcast, and they will still go to the hospital and birth. And it like, perplexes me in so many ways. And on that note, I will also say, say many women will hear your story and not go to the hospital.
00;35;58;28 - 00;36;19;21
Unknown
That's also happening. Yes. That's awesome. Yeah. It's like that two sides of the coin type story. It's like you can literally, though a lot of the time sit and blatantly be like, I've been abused is all happened. Don't go. There were a lot of times out of ten and they're just going to be like, I'm just still going to go there.
00;36;19;25 - 00;36;39;15
Unknown
What happened? Until they learned themselves? I guess what happens in my coaching a lot is women will say, you know, I listen to your podcast, I listen to all the stories, and I basically just made up like that. It just won't happen to me. And then it did. And so now here I am, you know, to process that.
00;36;39;15 - 00;37;03;03
Unknown
And so there is definitely a track of women who. Yeah. Are owning that and reflecting on it and making different decisions. So four months later that's really wild. And you don't even know about free birth yet. But you know where you're not going. Oh yeah, 100%. I was just like, I will birth in a car. I will birth anywhere else.
00;37;03;03 - 00;37;29;18
Unknown
I am not going back to last little. I'm like, I didn't even want to go and get like confirmed really. But it was more just like partner. So then I ended up going and just getting a blood test at just the normal doctors. And at that appointment it was hilarious because he was like, yes, you can like you're pregnant or bomb.
00;37;29;20 - 00;37;57;05
Unknown
Well, how old is this one? And then sadly asking you about winter because I was breastfeeding and he was like, oh, well, I guess now because you're pregnant, how old is she? Nearly six months. Or she can just get off the boob. I should be fine. We'll put her on formula and just kept pushing for me around pushing formula and just must have thought I was complete idiot too, because I was just like, you've messed with the wrong breastfeeding lady.
00;37;57;08 - 00;38;13;22
Unknown
I was like, I was like, don't tell me that formula is better than breast milk. My breast milk is alive. It's gold and milk. I was like, I'm not having this argument with you. You're using the fact that I am pregnant. Try and push your formula onto me so you can profit in some way. I'm not doing this with you today.
00;38;13;22 - 00;38;35;04
Unknown
I just needed to get my pregnancy confirmed. So I got into the massive fight with him because he was just trying to basically be belittle me as a mother because I chose to breastfeed now that I'm pregnant because apparently breastfeeding or pregnant is so dangerous. I didn't really know how to do it for myself yet, but I wasn't wanting to get into natal appointments.
00;38;35;04 - 00;39;01;27
Unknown
I wasn't wanting to even go to the hospital for that. I remember asking to get my referral done purely just because I didn't know. I just wanted my name to basically be in the system, just in case if I needed help when it came to the best, difficult and just that process of things, I knew that I was never going to actually birth in the hospital or go back there.
00;39;01;27 - 00;39;21;01
Unknown
But actually, I remember going to the hospital for that first initial one because they say you've got to go to the initial one to then be in the system or whatever. And I was feeling like a bit cookie. And I remember being in there and she's like, all right, so what are your plans for this one and everything?
00;39;21;01 - 00;39;47;01
Unknown
And I'm like, well, I'm not birthing here and I'm going to be birthing at home. And she was like, oh, what? Like without a midwife? And I was like, just like myself. And she's like, oh, I just went quiet so straight away. And I'm that type of person that kind of like, wanted to say that to get the reaction, to see what she was going to react and everything, and it's basically.
00;39;47;01 - 00;40;12;04
Unknown
And then that's when she, I think was talking about, oh, you're wanting to birth at home free birthing or are you wanting to home birth with like a private midwife? And I was just like, no, just like by myself. I trust myself more than I trust this hospital and you and all these other people. And I've only come in here today to just, like, get in the system, basically tell you that.
00;40;12;04 - 00;40;31;01
Unknown
And because they just kept calling as well, they will just call relentlessly and they'll just keep going. And I was just like, no. And actually the fear mongering and everything got ten times worse. Obviously, when I found out I was pregnant with twins, because as soon as the hospital found out, it was just, you need to have a C-section.
00;40;31;01 - 00;41;03;07
Unknown
And that happened, I went, I asked for a scan for myself and that was to confirm at the I think it was 22 weeks, and it was because I wanted to kind of nation that it was twins, just because I had that like inkling that it was. And it being like my partner's second pregnancy. Technically this was still kind of like all new for him, whereas I was at that other end of the spectrum of wanting to feel liberated and go against the system.
00;41;03;07 - 00;41;32;04
Unknown
And he was still almost kind of needing that reassurance. And, and everything was still so new for him. And he was really just like saying, all right, I'm just going to trust you, Talia, and just put all my faith and trust in you, and you do what you want. And that was just like, amazing to have, like a partner that was just kind of like, like taking out how he felt from it and just being like, that's what you want to do.
00;41;32;04 - 00;41;54;04
Unknown
I'm just going to support you and we'll just we'll just do it. We'll just sort it out and we'll just focus it. So it was that scan that I went and got that confirmed the twins, and obviously they sent it straight to the hospital behind like and told them straight away. And then I had my phone blowing out and I just told them it doesn't matter.
00;41;54;09 - 00;42;15;13
Unknown
I doesn't matter if there's one, two. I'm like, I'm birthing. I even remember Luke. It was funny after finding out it was twins, because I think too, I just picked up energy wise. I had twins, so it wasn't a shock for me. It was a shock for him. He had he needed time to digest and everything, but I was laughing about it.
00;42;15;13 - 00;42;42;06
Unknown
But like, I was getting signs and things from a spirit for so long that it was just funny to me at that point. So when I went in for the confirmation and everything, I was just like, has not changed any of what I want to do. If anything, it makes me want to birth at home law because I know now having twins what that means to the system and how much that like they profit and benefit of a traumatic twin.
00;42;42;06 - 00;43;10;14
Unknown
But so he was just like, what are you going to do now that there's two? And I'm like, birth them at home and I will find a way, because I looked into the private midwives that do home versus in the region that I'm in, and no one will go near you if you've got a twin birth, and then you've got to pay double because you've got two babies.
00;43;10;14 - 00;43;35;20
Unknown
And I was just like, I don't need all of these things. And I feel like a big lesson for me. Growing up was always needing something external to validate how I'm internally feeling. And with this pregnancy, with my pregnancy, I was just didn't either. I was like, I don't need anything outside of myself. I only need myself to birth my baby.
00;43;35;22 - 00;44;15;04
Unknown
It's it. I don't need external validation. I'm like, I just remember setting my mind and my faith. Just never. I never had like a anytime anyone was like, are you scared? Are you worried or this and that? No. Well, with the pregnancy, just the simple fact that, like, I'm a negative blood group I was meant to have, like my NTD injections, I was meant to like, I guess they considered me even being a high risk pregnancy because I've had an eating disorder and my first being such a small birth weight and my health conditions and everything.
00;44;15;04 - 00;44;36;06
Unknown
So being like a twin pregnancy and wanting to both at home and going against like basically everything that they wanted me to do, I was just like, nope, not doing it. And then I found my like doula. That was just like so amazing to me. But because she free birthed her own. So it was just great to have that.
00;44;36;08 - 00;45;23;25
Unknown
Like that other woman that was like super supportive, that had also experienced it herself. So it was just so good to have her wisdom surrounding like free birthing. And she had great connections and stuff. And so I just really focused with my pregnancy is I literally just listened to all of the the episodes, especially on your podcast with the twin births and any and I just, I just don't into my own like own humble a bliss of just like my own information and what I felt aligned with me and what felt good for me, with how I was feeling with my babies.
00;45;23;25 - 00;45;50;16
Unknown
And I didn't feel that I needed to go and get all these checks and all of these unnecessary things. I felt so like out of all of my pregnancies, it was like, why is it? Why is pregnancy my easiest labor? And I like a lot of it, I reckon, is to do with just the simple fact that I was mentally just so much stronger and like content in like my knowing of what I wanted to do.
00;45;50;16 - 00;46;19;17
Unknown
And I had like set that intention and like, set that up like I was just, this is what I'm going to do. Nothing or anyone outside of that can sway my decision. And then I just chose to do it. And my daughter was about an hour and a half drive. And the day that I actually went into labor, I because I was still breastfeeding throughout my whole pregnancy, I was kind of getting pre labor contractions and pains like every time I had breastfeed.
00;46;19;17 - 00;46;50;09
Unknown
So I just kind of would brush it off and I just did like it's just because I'm breastfeeding. And what station did you go into birth? I was 41. No, 40, 40 weeks and four days. Yeah. So I was close to going on to that 41 week mark. And was this first spontaneous labor? No. So my second was my first spontaneous labor.
00;46;50;09 - 00;47;12;26
Unknown
And I feel like because I was at my living at my mum's and I was in like a safer environment, and that just happened so naturally and just like in my sleep, just woke up in labor a couple hours later, had a baby. I just did not kind of believe I went to put my daughter to sleep. So that's why I was getting those like little ninjas and pains.
00;47;12;26 - 00;47;40;01
Unknown
And I was like, I'm just going to ignore them because I do this all the time and I'm not giving into my like brain right now. So like, I kind of ignored it. And then I started to get stronger. And then I remember being like, I'm not telling anyone. So I went into my bathroom and pacing back and forth and then like, okay, if you can do like an Indian squat and you're fine, Talia, you're probs not in labor.
00;47;40;01 - 00;48;00;24
Unknown
And I like, remember just doing this like Indian squat and like I did one spot and I was like, and the baby's going to come out. I was like, let's not do that again. It was like, I honestly feel like that probably helped and opened up my pelvis so much because after that I was like, yeah, definitely in labor.
00;48;01;00 - 00;48;18;08
Unknown
And I came out and I was like, my partner and a couple of the kids were home, actually, and I was like, my partner, oh, probably in labor, don't know, but I'm just going to go have a shower. And so he was like, all right, I'm going to get the pool ready because I really wanted to have a water birth for this one.
00;48;18;10 - 00;48;33;04
Unknown
So we had a pool that my daughter had gotten for us, and I had like a nice little area set up. And so they were getting that ready while I was in the shower and I was like, oh, just message my daughter. And I let her know. And I was like, I don't even know if I'm in labor, but just come now because you've got to drive.
00;48;33;05 - 00;48;51;18
Unknown
And I even said to my mom, you know, like, I've got some of the kids home so you can come to it's a 40 minute drive for my mum. So I was like, come to, and even she was like on the phone. She went to like second guess me. She's like, are you in labor? And then I was like, a contraction happened and I was like, in labor.
00;48;51;20 - 00;49;17;08
Unknown
I was like, please, you just come or don't come. And then I remember just getting off the phone to her. And Winter had woken up at that point and I just the labor was different. It was it was different in a way with the pain that like it, it was painful, but it wasn't like the other ones where I was like, I'm in pain and I'm dying.
00;49;17;09 - 00;49;22;02
Unknown
It was just never that feeling for me. It was like.
00;49;22;04 - 00;49;55;20
Unknown
It's, it's it's hard to even find, I guess, the words because I don't want to say it was like easy, but it was just the contractions were just different. There was no real pattern and they were coming on so fast and strong, but it was something that I could handle and the space that I was in and something that was different with this is I never went through that transitional phase or anything that women, I guess, talk about and stuff that I didn't have that with this labor and I don't didn't push or anything either.
00;49;55;20 - 00;50;23;28
Unknown
It was just so natural because I think I just let my body do what it needed to do. Like I just remember and then they were filling up the pool and I was just like, at that point, I got back out of the shower and I was just in the lounge room, and it started around 1230 lunchtime, and the pool was still getting done around 120 ish.
00;50;24;00 - 00;50;45;02
Unknown
And then I remember this feeling like those cats, when the cats go to birth and they look like a dark corner. And that was probably that, that moment for me, where my body knew that I was about to birth because I was finding that place, because the pool was still getting like, done up. I was kind of like, oh, that's happening really quickly.
00;50;45;03 - 00;51;09;12
Unknown
And I never got that urge to like who it was literally like, I needed to pee. I just kept feeling this weird, like I needed to pay. Like I've been holding a pen for a really long time and looks like you're having a baby. I'm like, but I really need to pee. So I kept trying to go to the toilet and then this like voice inside my head was like, just have a little like, feel.
00;51;09;14 - 00;51;30;05
Unknown
And so I went to feel. And of course, I was clearing and like, I didn't need to pee. I was birthing a baby. And then I was like, oh, Luke, is the bath done? I was like, Because I'm not birthing this kid on the toilet. I was like, and I could feel that it was. She was still like in her sock.
00;51;30;05 - 00;51;55;16
Unknown
So he, like, waddled me to the pool and my son, my eight year old son, was filling it up and I jumped in and I just felt like instantly in the water it was like amazing. And I swear I was probably only in the water for like five, ten minutes. And then I already was just getting like these urges and I just, like, laid my head over the side of the pool.
00;51;55;16 - 00;52;14;22
Unknown
And I just it was like I was kind of like not sleeping through it. It's like this weird out-of-body experience. And then the old like, programed version of Talia wanted to be, like, bearing down and pushing because you're just so used to like the women in your ears telling you how to birth and what you should be doing.
00;52;14;22 - 00;52;44;17
Unknown
And don't do that and you can't do that. And then this other voice was just like, don't push, don't do anything, breathe. And so I just stopped, took a big breath and then to like little contractions and just like flew out. And it was my girl. Which twin a I knew that she would be born first because I had a feeling that she was like my big baby, like my big twin.
00;52;44;17 - 00;53;08;16
Unknown
And she was born in Karl in her sac. And I remember her like my cords were quite short, so I remember her just kind of floating there. And I really underestimated how slippery sex, because then I couldn't even, like, I was like, couldn't even really like capture. And then I ended up being because my partner was like trying to record and ended up being like, put the phone down.
00;53;08;16 - 00;53;32;22
Unknown
You're going to have to help me open the sac up just so I could hold her because my cord was so small. So then he helped me rip her open and it took a bit to like, open the sac. And then I just remember putting her on me and it was just nice because it was just quiet. It wasn't like some quick screaming baby or like people rushing to touch me or touch the baby.
00;53;32;24 - 00;53;55;03
Unknown
It was just like this moment of me just doing it. And I think I was just so into it. I remember like my my son going, where's the blood? That's literally like he was just like, I'm confused. There's no blood because there was literally no blood. There was no blood in the pool. It was just as clean as anything.
00;53;55;06 - 00;54;21;29
Unknown
The sac, just like as ripped off, were just bloated. And she had so much of that, like, white yumminess all over her body. And she was just happy looking around. She didn't need to breastfeed straight away. She was just content. My cord was quite small and I didn't have much time between contractions. I remember checking and saying, oh yeah, that's the girl and kind of sharing the just made it to like here.
00;54;22;06 - 00;54;41;10
Unknown
So I had to kind of rest her like that with one arm, and then I put my other hand down to feel because I was like, oh, okay. It's like in a minute or two. And so my contractions started straight away. And then my one year old was like having a tantrum or something. So then I was like, get her in because she just wanted to be in the pool.
00;54;41;11 - 00;54;59;18
Unknown
So I was like, get her in the pool. So I got her in the pool and she got to see her little sister while I was basically then birthing twin B and it. It's funny when people are just like, oh, twins, we just assume, you know, it's like double the pain and all this. And I'm like, no, my body new with the second.
00;54;59;19 - 00;55;31;26
Unknown
That thing just it's like a TikTok just just yeah like like I'm like, no man. Like by the time the second baby was just a breeze, I was like, but it all was a breeze, really. It was just crazy how like, euphoric that experience was for me compared to all the other experiences I had and how much easier it was on my body when I let my body just work with baby and do what it was meant to do.
00;55;31;27 - 00;56;03;02
Unknown
Well, and you're in a safe environment. Yeah, yeah, I was I was just in my little bubble and nothing could upset me. I had everything that I needed around me. And I remember the twins were only like, I think four minutes apart. I had like I had aura like 158 and then by 202 soul was out and I was just holding them because of the I didn't want to cut their cord so quickly.
00;56;03;04 - 00;56;21;06
Unknown
It was probably like five, ten minutes, but they were just it was just so short that I like, was just hunched over in the pool. And so I was like, got my partner in to cut them and everything. And it was really cool because I knew with my centers as well that they were going to be fuzed together.
00;56;21;13 - 00;56;51;15
Unknown
I just had this crazy like idea that they were going to be fuzed together. And my placentas must have just naturally, just like detached as TwinBee was coming out. Because as soon as like TwinBee came out, like Santos just came out, just followed. And it was funny because I was holding them like this in the pool, and my placenta was just sitting inside of me, and I'm like, I was just so in like, in all of this.
00;56;51;15 - 00;57;10;01
Unknown
And then I remember my partner being in front of me, and my daughter had just arrived and she's like, just walked in the door. So all she saw was his back and she's like, what do you need me to do? And then he moved and I was like, nothing. I've done that. Like, I bet them I'm like, bull.
00;57;10;08 - 00;57;36;11
Unknown
Yeah. I'm like, can you grab me a drink? Yeah, like like I had some after ease tinctures just in case. And just more like to ease my mind and whatnot. But I felt so good, like, within my body and how I felt. And I didn't lose, like, like much blood at all. Like at all. It was just, like, so amazing.
00;57;36;11 - 00;57;54;02
Unknown
And then I remember being in there and then getting Luke to start taking some of the babies and everything. And then my daughter asked me about my placenta and I was like, to look. Do you mind just going up? Do you mind just having a little feel down there? Because I know it's there. I'm like, it's just happy and healthy.
00;57;54;03 - 00;58;11;16
Unknown
She's already come out, but it's just just been like just sitting there and I've actually got photos that I'll send you. But it was really cool. It was you could see I'm guessing which was my smaller twin was about this one. And then the other one was like that and it just like was like a infinity loop. And it was just so cool.
00;58;11;16 - 00;58;53;20
Unknown
And then I wanted to weigh them purely just out of curiosity, because TwinBee was six and a half, 6.5 pound and my My Girl was 7.9, so she was nearly 8 pound. So I was just like, so it was just one of those like moments where it was just so many little moments and glimpses of like, this is why you, like, chose to listen to yourself, and this is why you made those decisions because of, like, look at all of this.
00;58;53;20 - 00;59;20;16
Unknown
That happened because I chose to listen to myself and choose what was the best care for me and my babies. And the simple fact that, like, those babies were that big and lasted that long in the womb and were completely healthy and chose when they came outside. Whereas if I had to listen to the medical advice, they were pushing for C-section at like 35, 36 weeks.
00;59;20;16 - 00;59;45;10
Unknown
And then how many weeks in you? Yeah. And I'm just like, that just does not make sense to me. Why do you want their lungs to develop more? So we pump them full of steroids and we get them out earlier so their lungs don't even develop more. And then now they've pumped with Sarah and all this other crowd, the deepest misogyny expression of our culture.
00;59;45;11 - 01;00;09;15
Unknown
You know, it's like, get them out of the mother's body. The mother's body is the flawed, incompetent machine. Get them into our machines. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it's something that they can control once it's away from us. And yeah, profit from control and profit and the fear mongering that I got once I found out that they were twins.
01;00;09;15 - 01;00;28;25
Unknown
And even after I was just like, so now they find out that I feed birthed them at home and everything, I still get like the whole like they could have died and this and that and I'm just like, yeah, they could have died at C-section. And Nick, you two, you dummy. Yeah. Getting born ten times earlier. And you know what it is?
01;00;28;26 - 01;00;55;21
Unknown
We're healthy and beautiful. And they were born just so, so healthy and gorgeous. And, like, I didn't have to do any of that testing afterwards. I said no to everything. And like so many people were just like, oh, you know, like, have you done, like your own, like your checkup appointments and like all these things? And I'm like, yeah, I checked them.
01;00;55;23 - 01;01;17;16
Unknown
I'm like, they're fine. I'm like, I don't need to take them to a doctor. But the doctor to tell me that, fine. I'm like, they're not sick. They're completely healthy. They're on me. They're like putting on weight. I'm healthy. Like, I just felt so good after I birthed them as well. And it was just, like, the best I ever felt.
01;01;17;17 - 01;01;41;11
Unknown
And, I mean, my labor literally was only an hour and half for the twins. And they were. Yeah. And they were only like four minutes apart and just so straightforward and just so easy. And I'll just always just laugh so much at that, like, comment with my like, son just being like, where's the blood? Like, like waiting for like the gore or waiting for like the scary bits.
01;01;41;11 - 01;02;17;01
Unknown
And I'm like, this is it, man. This is how nice it is. Like, this is how it, like should and can be like all the time. If we're just left to just do what our bodies are born to do, like. And it was just amazing and I am blessed to with like it being my partner's like second birth experience was his first like with me free birthing and everything because now that's set him on that like expectation of that.
01;02;17;01 - 01;02;48;00
Unknown
Yeah, we're not going to the hospital ever again. We don't need the hospital. And now he questions heaps of different things when it comes to the system or just anything with doctors in general with with himself or the kids and stuff. And I'm just like, it's awesome. Once your awareness gets, like cracked open and you start, yeah, like the blindfold gets taken off and then you also then get to experience yourself and have the free birth that you've always wanted and envisioned yourself.
01;02;48;00 - 01;03;09;02
Unknown
And then when you go through it and you get to experience it, it's a whole other ball game. But it was the most euphoric experience for me out of all of my labors and pregnancies. That's why I was like, if they were my last babies, because I've got six. If they were my last babies, I'm like, I'm content.
01;03;09;04 - 01;03;56;05
Unknown
Like I'm grateful. Like that was like the big bang for me. Yeah, you got to know. Yeah. Literally goes pristine. Yes. And the way that I guess it should be. Yeah. And being like three of each children and everything. God's been good. So I'm very, very grateful for that. But yeah, it's just I'm. I just know now especially now with like me doing doula work and stuff, it's mostly just trying to give other women the, the tools and the knowledge that I wish I had being young because I just didn't like, I mean, I was still even mid 20s and still didn't know nothing like.
01;03;56;06 - 01;04;21;20
Unknown
And you just are expected to be like, oh, it's a doctor. I trust them. Like they'll look after me or like just like, you know, but well thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. All right, women, I hope you enjoyed the show today. You can support this podcast by donating to it through the link in the show notes below.
01;04;21;20 - 01;04;45;09
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And of course, leaving an awesome review on whatever platform you listen on. The more reviews, the more visibility the show gets. So let's spread the good word of free birth. Don't forget, you can watch all of my podcast interviews on YouTube and see the women as they tell their birth and power stories. And you will also find our viral, free worth collection of epic Raw Birth videos on our YouTube channel.
01;04;45;09 - 01;05;06;17
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So make sure you're subscribed! We always have a lot going on at Free Birth Society, and you can find out about all of it at free birth. And I am at Free Birth Society on Instagram. Please opt in to my newsletter below so that you don't miss a thing. We offer courses on free birth, sovereign birth work as well as one on one coaching women's retreats so much.
01;05;06;18 - 01;05;30;11
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Our exclusive private vetted membership. The Lighthouse is definitely something to check out. If you are looking for a community of wise sisters to get guidance from and to meet in real life, together we rise. Sisters, we must speak our stories, fully, claim our lives, and support one another. This is the living revolution and I am so grateful to be in it with all of you.
01;05;30;12 - 01;05;31;21
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Till next time.
