Today we pivot to directly discuss hospital culture and the regularly violated legal and human rights of women. I am privileged to be joined by an incredible lawyer and human rights activist Hermine Hayes-Klein, founder of Human Rights in Childbirth. She worked for five years to organize international conferences of maternity care stakeholders to discuss women’s fundamental rights in childbirth. Hermine is a huge force in advocating and shifting the focus on the huge gap in care between honoring legal rights in the medical field and the reality of todays modern day birth culture. We also talk about what’s a doula to do, understanding client legal rights, the ethical obligation of doulas, the problematic of scope of practice, and the downside of professionalism.